Hi all,

Just wondered. In some Mayan circles they seem to beleive that the Sun will align with Galactic centre. By the way I dont beleive it and the point of this thread is not to have an argument about that.

What I want to know is how could we know when the Sun is in alignment with the centre? It's impossible to know isnt it? We don't know exactly where we are in the Galaxy. I heard heard some poeple argue that it won't be in alignment to it and it would be on a different date. I just want to know how on Earth we would know? It's impossible isnt it? May I reitierate I want to know how we would know we are in alignment. I want nothing to do with 2012 end of world woo woo rubbish. Cheers

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"Attack the idea, not the person" Posted by a Moderator.
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It's been a remarkably long time since the last 2012 inquiry. Your answer may be among the below (probably, but maybe not; the purpose of this article is mostly list maintenance):

How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
Any truth to this?
2012?
Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012 Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
Galactic Tsunami?
So what will we see in 2012?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
Pole shift idea origins
2003 no, 2012 si
2012
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
2012 alignment question
about the Mayan 2012 item
2012 Debunking?
Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
2012 asteroid?
We don't have to worry about 2012!
More on 2012 from India Daily
2012 Completion of conspiracy?
Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
crop circles, Planet X and 2012
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
More 2012 Nonsense
NEO 2012?
Dangerous NEO in 2012?
Christmas 2012
2012 mayan calender end of world
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
New 2012 threat?
2012 look at this thing on the sun
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
Dec 20 2012
2012 Stuff
Date: December 21st 2012
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)

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Perhaps this site will help explain one possible view of the alignment. It is easily verifiable and I will do it since the fate of all physics is at stake, according the them, but right now an even more pressing matter is at hand: grilling hot dogs.

[Oops, I wish I would have seen the prior post before posting.]

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Lighten up! This is a stellar board! Author: duh.

"The Sun, with all the planets revolving around it, and depending on it, can still ripen a bunch of grapes as though it had nothing else in the universe to do..." Author: Galileo supposedly.

No, that's nice. Maybe he won't have to search so much.

I think the OP question needs some refinement, for the Sun (or Sun's center) and the Galactic Center, being two points, are always aligned. The question needs an enhanced definition of "alignment" before it gets interesting.

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Well, we know in what direction the center is, and we know what direction the sun is(of course), so knowing that we have an alignment would be as simple as observing that the sun is in front of the part of the sky where the center is located(or that the sun and the center is on opposite sides of the earth), and since we know the movements of the sun and the earth, I expect it would be possible to calculate when in 2012, if at all, such an alignment would happen, but sadly, I am not up to the maths...

I assume they mean that the earth is involved in the alignment, after all, any two objects will always be in line and so, you need a third object to make an alignment...

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I alread said I don't beleive in it so you didnt need to post all that stuff you post for the newbies when they ask about 2012. Only link relevant there was the first one!

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"Attack the idea, not the person" Posted by a Moderator.
Useful words around here indeed!!

Did you find your answer in there? It wasn't to convince you of anything. It was to provide you with discussions that had probably already answered the question you asked. Don't be offended.

(And, as I explained, it was also to carry on the list maintenance. This topic belongs in the list because I was sure it was going to generate more 2012 discussion and it did.)

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We know pretty precisely where the centre of the galaxy is in the sky, because the central black hole is a radio source. We also have a galactic coordinate system in the sky, with zero longitude aligned with the galactic centre (though not precisely with the Sgr A* black hole).
It so happens that the sun passes through that part of the sky around December 21 every year. In 2012 it isn't aligned with either the galactic coordinate system or the black hole, but it's close to them. It's closer to them in other years.

Grant Hutchison

Isn't the sun always "aligned" with the center of the MW? Is your question: "when will a line connecting the center of the sun and the center of the Earth, when extended toward the MW center, actually pass through the MW center?"?

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So the question changes... we now want to know when a alignment of the Earth sun and our galactic center? No that is the original question, just said differently. The answer has been provided in respect that during December of each year the sun passes between us and the galactic core. I seem to recall that Sol and the Galactic plain do not actually align to well as progression has us some distance from the galactic plain at this time. I do not know the period of the Suns track above or below the galactic plain. I suspect we are talking of things in tens of thousands of years. Best I go look this up a...?