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Huygens couldn't follow up. It's battery ran out shortly after it landed on the surface, and no new information was relayed by it. I don't think that Cassini has much in the way of instruments that could tell directly, though there do seem to be one or more cryovolcanoes on Titan which supports there being at least pools of something liquid not far below the surface.
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IIRC, Huygens picked up an ELF reflection during descent that might have been from a deep solid-liquid interface. I don't recall hearing any more about that, though.
The way Cassini deflects as it flies by Titan will give some information about the radial density gradient within Titan, which will in turn set physical limits on what is or is not plausible about its internal structure. But I haven't heard any results from that, either. Grant Hutchison |
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Radial density gradient. The "radial" modifies the "density gradient". Signifying, "how rapidly the density changes along a radius"; in this case, a Titan radius.
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Titan is probably typical in that regard, so it's almost certain that Titan has an icy shell--the question is whether it is liquid or not. And while gravitational measurements can say whether Titan has an icy shell or not, such gravitational measurements cannot settle the question of whether that icy shell exists in a partially liquid state--as they cannot for Europa.
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Oh.
Probably worth pointing out how, in my quote above, the Cassini team are using several flybys for these measurements. If you catch Titan at different distances from Saturn, you get a measure of how it deforms under tidal strain: that not only gives you density-gradient information, but an idea of the viscoelastic properties, too. That second modality is also helpful in differentiating liquid from solid. Grant Hutchison |
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I'm not saying there isn't a liquid ocean--I bet there is. And there is some other evidence that's suggestive in that regard: the surface doesn't have a lot of cratering; apparently there's cryovolcanism; lots of nitrogen implies lots of ammonia that has a low freezing point; and if there really are liquid lakes on the surface, it stands to reason there is liquid beneath the surface as well. But a definitive answer to the OP question would require simultaneous measurements of gravitational and topographical amplitudes of the semidiurnal tides, and to do that will require a dedicated orbiting spacecraft. ![]()
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And as of last month, with three flybys under their belts, the same team were predicting a >90% chance of distinguishing between "ocean" and "no ocean" using measured quadrupole moments to dig out a precise Love number. Grant Hutchison |
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We were talking above about the measurement of various gravitational parameters using flybys: in Europa's case, the moment of inertia measured from such flybys supports a three-layer model, but doesn't tell us if any of the water layer is liquid, as Warren Platts has described. But in Europa's case we also have magnetometer data showing that Europa is generating a magnetic field, suggesting it has a conducting layer somewhere. From modelling, it seems most likely that the conducting layer is a briny liquid. (From the Cassini magnetometer, Titan doesn't seem to have its own magnetic field. So no hints there about Titan's subsurface ocean.) Grant Hutchison |
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For the three Galilean satellites we have used the time varying background field of Jupiter to find the induced magnetic field. Christophe Zimmer did a very nifty calculation to find out the exact parameter regime in which the oceans are located. Titan does, however, cross the magnetopause of Saturn, and enters the solar wind during every orbit. But I do not think that the Cassini team can hope for anything similar by e.g. using the solar wind. However, I am sure that the Cassini team will try something.
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Now at Titan, there is basically no time varying magnetic field because there is basically no dipole tilt. Here is a picture of the orbit of Titan. Now, this is for quiet times in the solar wind. If the pressure increases, the orbit can cross the magnetopause and the bowshock and thus enter into the solar wind. But the variations in magnetic field in this case is rather small, and thus will be very difficult to measure, if there is an inductive effect at all. Also, in the solar wind you will get the same effect as at Venus and Mars in which draping of the magnetic field will create an induced magnetosphere, which will complicate things even more.
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