If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum > General > Questions and Answers
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 10-May-2008, 12:27 PM
ArgoNavis's Avatar
ArgoNavis ArgoNavis is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 234
Default Do cosmic flashes reveal secrets of the infant universe?

That was the title of an article in the June 2008 Astronomy magazine.

But what really got me wondering is the statement on page 36, under the "short duration gamma ray bursts" panel was the statements: 1. Two neutron stars circle each other in a close gravitational dance. 2. eventually, the stars gravity pulls them closer, and they spiral toward each other. 3. Their dance ends in an explosive collision.

Now, how would 2 objects in a stable orbit around each other "spiral towards each other"?

I can understand accretion disks - gas orbiting a body (such as a black hole) would lose orbital energy via friction and other processes so that it can "fall in" to the black hole.

But I cannot understand how 2 bodies in stable orbits would lose orbital energy - and even if they did, their new orbits would be stable.
__________________
The Heavens Declare the Glory of Mathematics
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 10-May-2008, 12:30 PM
m1omg's Avatar
m1omg m1omg is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,296
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ArgoNavis View Post
That was the title of an article in the June 2008 Astronomy magazine.

But what really got me wondering is the statement on page 36, under the "short duration gamma ray bursts" panel was the statements: 1. Two neutron stars circle each other in a close gravitational dance. 2. eventually, the stars gravity pulls them closer, and they spiral toward each other. 3. Their dance ends in an explosive collision.

Now, how would 2 objects in a stable orbit around each other "spiral towards each other"?

I can understand accretion disks - gas orbiting a body (such as a black hole) would lose orbital energy via friction and other processes so that it can "fall in" to the black hole.

But I cannot understand how 2 bodies in stable orbits would lose orbital energy - and even if they did, their new orbits would be stable.

Gravitional radiation loss - in binary massive compact objects it is significant.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 10-May-2008, 01:24 PM
trinitree88 trinitree88 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,222
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by m1omg View Post
Gravitional radiation loss - in binary massive compact objects it is significant.
m1omg. Right, and technically all objects in orbit around each other emit it.(even a pair of dancing whooping cranes)...so the word "stable" is relative....kind of like the arbitrary cutoff for radioactive nuclides. At what point do you call them stable? Tidal "locking" is metastable too, and shifts through other resonances. Nothing lasts forever. pete
__________________
A third rate theory forbids
A second rate theory explains after the fact
A first rate theory predicts...A. Lomonosov
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Why There's More Matter Than Antimatter in the Universe Fraser Universe Today Story Comments 29 30-April-2008 01:38 PM
The Universe & Beyond : Part 2 gskumar_ramagiri Against the Mainstream 1 31-December-2006 12:23 AM
Problems with General Relativity snowflakeuniverse Against the Mainstream 79 10-January-2005 04:05 AM
Androids and Unified Theory. Synchro Against the Mainstream 2 09-October-2004 03:49 AM
magnetic rocket creates wormhole theory uralph Against the Mainstream 9 15-June-2002 12:37 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.0.0
©  2006 Bad Astronomy and Universe Today