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Old 17-July-2008, 03:44 AM
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Are there any maps or charts of the entire sky that document observed red/blue-shifted objects and their relative speed away from/towards us?

Edit: Why does it seem that most everything is moving away from us? Are we at the epicenter of the "big bang"? From what I have read this is the case, but it would be cool if there was some sort of color coded map that could show what is moving where and how fast.

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When the whole universe is inflating you can be anywhere in it and see everything move away from you.
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Old 17-July-2008, 05:11 AM
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Are there any maps or charts of the entire sky that document observed red/blue-shifted objects and their relative speed away from/towards us?

Edit: Why does it seem that most everything is moving away from us? Are we at the epicenter of the "big bang"? From what I have read this is the case, but it would be cool if there was some sort of color coded map that could show what is moving where and how fast.
The following is just one idea.

Here is a drawing of a very large universe as seen from earth, which is at the center of the circle, and the circle represents our “telescopic sphere of visibility”, the radius of which increases every time we build a new larger telescope. Of course, we see no end to the universe and no outer “edge”. Note that we would see galaxies moving away from us in any direction we look, and observers on the other nearby galaxies would see basically the same thing. (Disregard the square sides to my drawing of part of the overall universe.):

http://i32.tinypic.com/20z4lnc.jpg

So, we are in the center of our "sphere of visibility", but that's about all we know so far.

Here is what we should see if we were out near an outer “edge” of a spherical universe. We would see fewer distant galaxies in one direction of our telescopic viewing, much like we see fewer stars in our own galaxy, when we look in the direction away from the center of our own galaxy. If we could ever see a sudden absence of very distant galaxies in one direction of view, but plenty of galaxies in all other directions, then that could indicate that we are close to an outer “edge” of a spherical universe.
http://i29.tinypic.com/2inviu.jpg

Our problem has always been that we can’t see far enough into our universe to be able to tell if it has an “outer edge” or not.

Edited to add: And this poor fellow of the 16th Century is in the same situation we are still in.... wanting to look beyond and outside our limited sphere of visibiltiy.
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What is thought to be causing this limited sphere of visibility? Is it that we don't yet have powerful enough telescopes to pick up the fainter light signatures? A time constraint? Also, how do we know that the universe is 46 billion LY in radius if we can only see 13.7 billion years?
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What is thought to be causing this limited sphere of visibility? Is it that we don't yet have powerful enough telescopes to pick up the fainter light signatures?

The limit of our sphere of visibility is strictly due to the limits of the sizes of our present telescopes. For example, Galileo’s first telescope couldn’t see very deep into space and even nearby galaxies were dim and tiny. Newton’s reflector was better but it was still a small telescope. Later 50-inch telescopes were invented that could see further and deeper, then the 100 inch telescope, the 200 inch, then Hubble. And our earth’s own atmosphere blurs images of tiny objects such as distant galaxies. That’s why Hubble was put up above the atmosphere. But it was limited in size too because of the limited size of the Space Shuttle that carried it into space.

New plans are in the works to build bigger space telescopes that have several mirror parts that can be carried by the Shuttle, and then opened up into a much wider compound-mirror telescope for deeper field viewing.

Also, long exposure times are needed to register images of the most faint and distant galaxies. The last deep-field Hubble photos of galaxies required many days of exposure time, and a lot of technical coordination is required to aim the telescope in the same direction for many days as it continues to move as it orbits the earth.
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Also, how do we know that the universe is 46 billion LY in radius if we can only see 13.7 billion years?
That, I don't know. I think the radius is calculated by complex math formulas.
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Also, how do we know that the universe is 46 billion LY in radius if we can only see 13.7 billion years?
Yes, because of the Expansion of the universe.

ETA: Sorry, misread that.
But kinda touched on the answer.. Sam5 did too.
The expansion rate of the Universe (Wiki for Hubble) is how we determine the size, even though we can only see a smaller percentage of the Universe visibly.
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Alarm! Alarm! Teleport forthwith here and here.

(VCM = very common misunderstanding, in case you were wondering.)
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Alarm! Alarm! Teleport forthwith here and here.

(VCM = very common misunderstanding, in case you were wondering.)
Rock on. Thanks Chris Hillman... I also get half brained and try to answer things directly instead of providing a link- which can also get me into a lot of trouble.
I had typed up two replies to that and ended up closing the page out twice

Those are nice easy reading with simple descriptions.
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