Chatroom
 

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum > Science and Space > Science and Technology
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

   

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 27-October-2004, 06:00 PM
banquo's_bumble_puppy's Avatar
banquo's_bumble_puppy banquo's_bumble_puppy is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Alpha III
Posts: 2,125
Default Possible new human branch discovered?

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/sci....ap/index.html
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 27-October-2004, 06:44 PM
ToSeek's Avatar
ToSeek ToSeek is online now
Vulcan Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Greenbelt, MD
Posts: 26,491
Default

Artist's rendering
__________________
Everything I need to know I learned through Googling.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 27-October-2004, 06:49 PM
Humphrey's Avatar
Humphrey Humphrey is offline
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: G'Topia
Posts: 3,481
Send a message via ICQ to Humphrey Send a message via AIM to Humphrey Send a message via MSN to Humphrey
Default

Note: he is holding a mouse.....










j/k :-P
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 27-October-2004, 07:16 PM
Kullat Nunu's Avatar
Kullat Nunu Kullat Nunu is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Earth
Posts: 2,815
Send a message via MSN to Kullat Nunu Send a message via Skype™ to Kullat Nunu
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
Note: he is holding a mouse.....
No, I think it is a some kind of marsupial.

But if this discovery holds up, it's a really major discovery.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 27-October-2004, 07:31 PM
Humphrey's Avatar
Humphrey Humphrey is offline
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: G'Topia
Posts: 3,481
Send a message via ICQ to Humphrey Send a message via AIM to Humphrey Send a message via MSN to Humphrey
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kullat Nunu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
Note: he is holding a mouse.....
No, I think it is a some kind of marsupial.
Hence the "j/k :-P" at the end. :-)


Quote:

But if this discovery holds up, it's a really major discovery.
Not really. Its just a extreamly interesting discovery. A major discovery would be that a modern population is made up of them.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 27-October-2004, 07:35 PM
Wally Wally is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
Posts: 1,082
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
Note: he is holding a mouse.....










j/k :-P
that got a chuckle. =D>
__________________
. . . My moustache is touching my brain!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 27-October-2004, 07:38 PM
Kullat Nunu's Avatar
Kullat Nunu Kullat Nunu is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Earth
Posts: 2,815
Send a message via MSN to Kullat Nunu Send a message via Skype™ to Kullat Nunu
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kullat Nunu
But if this discovery holds up, it's a really major discovery.
Not really. Its just a extreamly interesting discovery. A major discovery would be that a modern population is made up of them.
Well, completely new human species that lived much later than the last Neanderthals...
I would call that a major discovery.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 27-October-2004, 10:30 PM
Candy's Avatar
Candy Candy is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 12,671
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
Note: he is holding a mouse.....










j/k :-P
Quote:
human dwarf species
That would be one big rat!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 27-October-2004, 10:32 PM
Candy's Avatar
Candy Candy is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 12,671
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kullat Nunu
Well, completely new human species that lived much later than the last Neanderthals...
I would call that a major discovery.
Quote:
marooned for eons
I agree.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 01:43 AM
Gullible Jones's Avatar
Gullible Jones Gullible Jones is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 3,032
Default

Very interesting.

Minor nitpick though... "Human species" is incorrect, since humans are a specific species, Homo sapiens. The word meant is probably "homonids". For all practical purposes, though, it doesn't make much of a difference.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 02:01 AM
Humphrey's Avatar
Humphrey Humphrey is offline
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: G'Topia
Posts: 3,481
Send a message via ICQ to Humphrey Send a message via AIM to Humphrey Send a message via MSN to Humphrey
Default

The lasting till relatively modern times is absolutely amazing. It shows how rezilient some species can be in our line without changing at all. I just do not believe its a life altering event. :-)

They say there is evidence of Homo Erectus there too, so i wonder how they took eachother?
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 06:17 AM
Ari Jokimaki Ari Jokimaki is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,435
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
They say there is evidence of Homo Erectus there too, so i wonder how they took eachother?
Considering that other one lived there 900,000 years ago and other one 18,000 years ago, I don't think they saw each other that much.
__________________
"Stupidity gets denser in a crowd" - Old Finnish saying. [My website and My BLOG] [Nimblebrain forums]
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 07:13 AM
snowcelt's Avatar
snowcelt snowcelt is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: edmonton
Posts: 978
Default

I find this new discovery amazing. I always thought that it was a shame that we historical humans missed out in knowing Neanderthals by no more than twenty-five thousand years. Now we find we have missed a breathern species by thirteen thousand years. I think that the orphan race of moderns has missed something profound. The possibility of having a family member still alive would have given us all something that we will never know.

I grieve for our lost opportunity, just like I grieve for those individuals who are orphans today: bereft of family.
__________________
I have grasped the bull by the tail and am lookin' 'im right in the eye.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 01:21 PM
Candy's Avatar
Candy Candy is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 12,671
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ToSeek
A pair of pants would have been nice to have been discovered, too. 8-[
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 01:26 PM
Ut Ut is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sydney, NS
Posts: 2,506
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Candy
Quote:
Originally Posted by ToSeek
A pair of pants would have been nice to have been discovered, too. 8-[
You can't go holdin' the lil' guys down, duuuuude. Get your repressing grasp away from me, maaaaaaan. He's free! Free like the wind! And he's not giving in to the evil of Big Pants.
__________________
"I'm making wheatloaf. It's like meatloaf, only with wheat"
"Isn't that just...bread?"
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 03:25 PM
Fram's Avatar
Fram Fram is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Buggenhout, Belgium
Posts: 3,140
Default

I've read in my Flemish (supposed 'quality') newspaper that some scientists are even suggesting that the little buggers still were around on Flores 150 years ago, and that there may be some left on Sumatra. I can't give you a link, as it's a subscription-only website, and I only use the paper version... Anyone heard anything more of this?
__________________
Knowledge is a curse, but ignorance is worse
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 04:23 PM
Humphrey's Avatar
Humphrey Humphrey is offline
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: G'Topia
Posts: 3,481
Send a message via ICQ to Humphrey Send a message via AIM to Humphrey Send a message via MSN to Humphrey
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Jokimaki
Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
They say there is evidence of Homo Erectus there too, so i wonder how they took eachother?
Considering that other one lived there 900,000 years ago and other one 18,000 years ago, I don't think they saw each other that much.
I don't remember but do they say how old they think the species is?

edit. Yup: 95,000-12,000. So nevermind. For some reason i thought they lived together and this one just happened to of not died out. Shows me for skimming the article. ops: ops:

Doh! Where can i turn in my Anthro degree, i put it to shame. :-(
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 05:11 PM
MAPNUT MAPNUT is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: New York City
Posts: 516
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fram
some scientists are even suggesting that the little buggers still were around on Flores 150 years ago, and that there may be some left on Sumatra.... Anyone heard anything more of this?
An English author named J.R.R. Tolkien claimed in 1948 that "hobbits" were still alive, though he didn't say where. He said they are shy of the big people and have developed the art of moving quickly and quietly so that they can disappear as if by magic. Many consider him the top authority on the subject, but I think he was a woo-woo - he believed in trolls and dragons too.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 07:00 PM
Candy's Avatar
Candy Candy is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 12,671
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fram
I've read in my Flemish (supposed 'quality') newspaper that some scientists are even suggesting that the little buggers still were around on Flores 150 years ago, and that there may be some left on Sumatra. I can't give you a link, as it's a subscription-only website, and I only use the paper version... Anyone heard anything more of this?
Perhaps, copy and paste into quotes. 8-[
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 07:21 PM
Tranquility Tranquility is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,193
Send a message via MSN to Tranquility
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Candy
Perhaps, copy and paste into quotes. 8-[
Copyright infringement.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 07:22 PM
gethen's Avatar
gethen gethen is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: the great white north
Posts: 2,403
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fram
I've read in my Flemish (supposed 'quality') newspaper that some scientists are even suggesting that the little buggers still were around on Flores 150 years ago, and that there may be some left on Sumatra. I can't give you a link, as it's a subscription-only website, and I only use the paper version... Anyone heard anything more of this?
An anthropologist on NPR was saying yesterday that some of the island's current residents say that their grandparents used to tell stories about "little naked men" who lived in caves on the island. Scientists were interested in visiting those caves.
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 07:36 PM
Candy's Avatar
Candy Candy is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 12,671
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gethen
An anthropologist on NPR was saying yesterday that some of the island's current residents say that their grandparents used to tell stories about "little naked men" who lived in caves on the island. Scientists were interested in visiting those caves.
I am too, now. 8-[
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 28-October-2004, 07:37 PM
Candy's Avatar
Candy Candy is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 12,671
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tranquility
Quote:
Originally Posted by Candy
Perhaps, copy and paste into quotes. 8-[
Copyright infringement.
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 29-October-2004, 09:20 AM
Disinfo Agent Disinfo Agent is offline
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 7,133
Default

Leprechauns! 8)
__________________
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire.
"All your bias are belong to us" Ara Pacis.
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 29-October-2004, 09:56 AM
Tranquility Tranquility is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,193
Send a message via MSN to Tranquility
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Candy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tranquility
Quote:
Originally Posted by Candy
Perhaps, copy and paste into quotes. 8-[
Copyright infringement.
Just like my friends
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old 29-October-2004, 01:43 PM
Fram's Avatar
Fram Fram is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Buggenhout, Belgium
Posts: 3,140
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Candy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fram
I've read in my Flemish (supposed 'quality') newspaper that some scientists are even suggesting that the little buggers still were around on Flores 150 years ago, and that there may be some left on Sumatra. I can't give you a link, as it's a subscription-only website, and I only use the paper version... Anyone heard anything more of this?
Perhaps, copy and paste into quotes. 8-[
Apart from the copyright infringement, I repeat: 'I only use the paper version'. My Windows (TM) version does not support a Ctrl-C on a paper... But it was referring to English antropologists, like gethen mentioned. Apparently they have done a search in 1995-1997 to spot the 'bushman' of Sumatra, and they have claimed to have spotted them repeatedly. But no pictures, no remains, nothing, so it's best to stay sceptic for the moment.
__________________
Knowledge is a curse, but ignorance is worse
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old 29-October-2004, 09:52 PM
skeptED56 skeptED56 is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Brevard, Florida
Posts: 162
Send a message via ICQ to skeptED56 Send a message via AIM to skeptED56
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gullible Jones
Very interesting.

Minor nitpick though... "Human species" is incorrect, since humans are a specific species, Homo sapiens. The word meant is probably "homonids". For all practical purposes, though, it doesn't make much of a difference.
The term "human" refers to a genus, the human genus. Although it is mostly used in reference to Homo Sapiens.

Dictionary.com link
__________________
"Our species needs, and deserves, a citizenry with minds wide awake and a basic understanding of how the world works."
Carl Sagan
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old 30-October-2004, 02:40 AM
ComputerTech ComputerTech is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 95
Default Prehistoric Dwarf Bones...

Prehistoric dwarf bones found:
Oct. 27:
Scientists working on a remote Indonesian island have discovered the bones of a new race of hobbit-like dwarves wiped out by a massive volcanic eruption 12-thousand years ago. How do we know these are human bones? I.E. Not alien? If it's not a homosapien, then isnt it alien? Perhaps someone can teach me more about this?
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old 30-October-2004, 04:05 AM
Nowhere Man's Avatar
Nowhere Man Nowhere Man is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Southfield MI
Posts: 2,288
Default

There are several other threads discussing this discovery. It's not really astronomy related, but...
Quote:
Originally Posted by You
How do we know these are human bones? I.E. Not alien? If it's not a homosapien, then isnt it alien?
Is a chimpanzee an alien? What about Neanderthal man? Homo Erectus?

If you ask me, and I'm not an anthropologist, but just a guy who follows scientific progress, these short guys just represent a branch of the human family bush that got stuck on an isolated island and adapted to conditions there. Since it was favorable for smaller creatures to survive and make more of themselves, that's what we found.

Fred
__________________
"For shame, gentlemen, pack your evidence a little better against another time."
-- John Dryden, "The Vindication of The Duke of Guise" 1684
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old 30-October-2004, 05:50 AM
Brady Yoon Brady Yoon is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Anaheim Hills, CA USA
Posts: 2,020
Send a message via AIM to Brady Yoon
Default

I agree with Nowhere Man. There's no need to use aliens to account for a new discovery.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT. The time now is 12:58 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.0.0
©  2006 Bad Astronomy and Universe Today