The "Sully DC" claims are evolving, and now incorporating ideas and concepts I and others used here on BAUT to try to explain what was going on as their own, and more reason why this is some new and wonderous thing.

A new thread has been posted on the GLP board here,

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bb...owdate=6/20/06

This thread contains links to the original GLP thread, here:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bb.../19/06&mpage=2

Read over the (now closed) thread here on BAUT, and see how I was discussing how the current density in a 3D medium behaves to try to explain how this was nothing new or spectacular. Henrik even posted a circuit version equivalent using steps of more and more resistors, and how that becomes the equivalent picture in the limit.

Now, look at those GLP threads, and see how this "Sully DC" has evolved. It is now a "multi-dimensional current", which has properties that "neither DC or AC can possess". Now, the mundane properties of a 3D current distribution (which all currents really are, anyway, the 1-D circuit picture of a current is just an approximation, albeit very close in the case of wires, small relative to the rest of the circuit) Where did they get that, I wonder?

-Richard

I'm not the only one stocking the Sully DC phenomenon

Just google Sully DC. He's just mining sites to have real engineers build up his toy. Look at how many diagrams have been done for him. With very detailed technical descriptions no less. That also end up on other sites.

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Stalking. But carry on

I see in closed thread discussion was more pointless than discussion with creationist about evoliution.

Oops

Knew something didn't look right.

It's sad in a way. I would have figured that Sully DC would have been a big hit over at GLP. Guess scammers aren't welcome there? Who would have thunk it.

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It seems electricity is something some of them actually know something about.

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My hypothesis is that promoting an idea with lots of perfecly produced circuit diagrams, which is contested with amateurish scribbles like mine, triggers their coverup detectors

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Hmmm, now that's making me think like a conspiracy theorist. Come up with something that does something, in this case, maybe reduce the bubbles on the electrodes in electrolysis, but you don't have the scientific and technical expertise to analyze. But rather than bringing in expert help, which will have to be paid and share in any credit, you want to trick the experts into doing for free.

So make outrageous claims that will get the expert's dander up, who then vigorously jump in to debunk, and in the process will give the expertise you need, which you then claim as your own.

Now, could anybody be that smart to plot this from the beginning? I doubt it, but that's the way this has played out.

In the lastest GLP postings, I see the proponent is now talking about the "complexity of electrolysis reactions", which makes me suspect someone with electrochemical expertise has been trying to explain things from that angle to him. He will then incorporate that as his own.


-Richard

Maybe some GLPers feel the need to defend the Electric Universe model from the SullyDC heresy.

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Maybe the DC in SullyDC should stand for Deceptive Consultation.

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I think that is too absurd, why try to trick experts when many people here do it for free anyway?
also his way does not do anything usefull except maibe it can cure cancer and make gold from lead with his aparatus. but definitely nothing useful in electrolysis and power transmission.
he simply does not understand what is AC and DC current, like 99% of human population.

I think the difference would be having someone asking how the circuit worked and asking for help, rather than claiming you've discovered a new electricity and claiming everyone is ignorant not to see his amazing invention. My quess is that he either needed something to clear up his patent, or more than likely, was just trying to get his name spread around. Or both.

Oh my God. Are we turning this thread into a GLP substitute? Are smart people moving over to GLP? The world may just be coming to an end

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Well, looky here:

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=5266&st=45


Our Sully DC proponent (called out by another BAUT member under a different nome d'plume ) is now apparently backing off the claims that this is some new electrical physics. He says all he was saying *all along* was it was about "control of multidimensional currents". <sigh>

-Richard

Seems like or friend Sully got himself a PHD over at
GLP
by the name of Steven Parks.

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My, how things have changed now that he has got someone who knows what he's talking about and doing to help him. Note how toned down and reasonable this Dr. Park's description is. Far from "new type of electrical current previously unknown to physics", or even "control of multidimensional currents". But Park tries to bury Sully's hyperbolic claims as mere misunderstandings of semantics. That is strike one for him in my eyes, but he's just doing the PR part, I suppose.

And we've actually got some real numbers. About 100 uH of inductance thrown in the mix. And the mutal inductance for transformer effect would go as k*sqrt(L1*L2) -- assume both coils have roughly the same L, and figure the coupling constant k to be no more than 70% -- it is probably much less since there is probably a good deal of radial separation and hence leakage thrown in the mix.

All it boils down to is there will be some mechanical vibration at frequency proportional to the switching frequency, and the switching may keep the local J and E diverging out of the electrodes actually more uniform (averaged over a switching cycle) and so make better use of all the available surface area.

-Richard

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I tried to point Arch~Angel to a book on Electromagnetism, but it does not look like he is going to do it.

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Avoid the subject, and pat yourselves on the backs for not understanding. Exactly what I expected here which is why I came here in the first place.

I looked through all of the pictures [my they were pretty] in the book you suggested, and even read many of the words, but nowhere did I find an example that dupicated this:



Show me where someone else did this before Mr. Sullivan. In the mean time put your back patting hands back in your pockets.

Thank You

Could you show me one single example using either AC or DC where you can duplicate the results in the images above without SDC? Do that and I will abandon the subject, and crown the revelator as King.

It is neither AC nor DC. It is new and unique.

Oh no....I'm not anywhere near that smart. Halcyon Dayz can confirm it. To create a dialectic controled from one side that leads to the results you want takes real brains. People are not so easily led.

Wait, so you came here specifically because you knew you would not be able to accomplish anything by doing so? Right, that is very logical.

And how can you call nearly 170 posts "avoiding the subject"?

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My advice to all reading this is to not take the bait. This has been gone over here heavily, and time and time again on other sites. As hard as it is to let something so wrong go, it is pointless here, as we just get the same old, same old.

And BTW, I see the post of this Dr. Steven Parks has been removed from the GLP board. We can only speculate why.

-Richard

I wanted it debunked. Its a favorite hobby of many posters here. Most even enjoy it.

Show me where you can do this with AC or DC, or where someone has done it before. I didn't hope to make anyone believe that the world was going to change because of SDC and start running around in circles screaming EUREKA!, but it would have been nice. All I really want is confirmation one way or the other, and thought highly enough of the people here to ask here. Is it unique?

Then please post a quote from, and a link to where anyone showed how this can be done with AC or DC, and where it has been done before so it can all be over with. I must have missed it, and others too. I'm sure some people understand what is happening, but is it new or not?

The ones saying that its nothing new should be the ones showing where this has all been done before.

Time to kill this thread now it's been polluted.

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The bar has been lowered for the promotion of ATM ideas; the bar for the acceptance of ATM ideas must remain high.

Least anyone come away with the impression that maybe SDC is something new. And, of course, you think everyone should believe that you have all been there, done that, and bought the T-Shirt even though there is no actual proof that anyone has done this before.

The burden of proof is on those who say its nothing new, and they have all failed to provide a single bit of evidence.

One shred of proof is too much to ask for because...because...whats the reason again?

Come again??? So we have to prove this SDC nonsense wrong??



Nice "try", but your transparent attempt to shift the "burden" away from yourself won't work.

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Hahaha. I literally laughed out loud when I read this one. The burden of proof is always on the ones making the claim (i.e. you). It is a logical fallacy to claim otherwise.

List of Fallacious Arguments

Fallacies

(or a new type of current never before seen by science)

The Fallacy Files: Argument From Ignorance

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I didn't say that. You have to prove that its been done before in order to claim that its nothing new. You would do that by showing where it has been done before.

Proving that its nonesense would be done by replicating the experiments and showing results different from what the Patent office witnessed.

There is both AC and DC flowing through the coil at the same time without switching anode and cathode.