Well enough stop thinking about those two strangest event on planet, see if they are both real or not? I have a movie set about The Philadelphia Experiment. It about the time warp (aka time machine) which take people in different effects, sorry i didn't understand what they doing but i know what they are really doing as a movie. More about it here I don't know this is really hoax, it made me to feel weird about those strange changes that take people to other location and time. It like a time machine. The movie filmed in not real scene, it show what really happened.

Other strange thing is The Bermunda Triangle. That is another effect of time warp, close enough similar to Philadelphia Experiment. So about the triangle, it located just east of Miami, Flordia. It happens when many ships were lost and dissappeared, it took in strange time warp to past or future. More information here. Anyway i am kinda freaked out in between those strangest effect on planet Earth.

I make a poll about it too see if whos are both real or not, either one is or not. I am trying to make time with alot information that i wanted to learn on both events. Please feel welcome to post and poll.

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Where's the science?

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The strange event isn't the "Philadelphia experiment" or the "Bermuda Triange" but that this inane drivel sells books and people believe what they read. As if it's true. Is this a poll to bring the woo-woos out?

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No, I don't think the Philidelphia experiment was real, as written. There were experiments at the time, of course but they pertained to degausing techniques.

As for the Bermuda triangle, there are a lot of planes and ships lost there because there are a lot of planes and ships in the area. Yes, some disappearances are 'mysterious' but only so far as some disappearances all over the world are mysterious.

They overall legends are kept mysterious by those out to make a buck off of them. Flight 19 is not mysterious once you start looking at all the facts. Once you discount Flight 19 as a mysterious disappearance, the whole Bermuda Triangle legend becomes suspect because that is the flagship of bermuda traingle devotees.

They are interesting to read up on in your youth, as I did but eventually you come to realise that the world really isn't that mysterious afterall.

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From The Un-mystery of the Bermuda Triangle:

In 1975 a librarian at Arizona State University, named Larry Kusche, decided to investigate the claims made by these articles and books. What he found he published in his own book entitled The Bermuda Triangle Mystery-Solved. Kusche had carefully dug into records other writers had neglected. He found that many of the strange accidents were not so strange after all. Often a triangle writer had noted a ship or plane had disappeared in "calms seas" when the record showed a raging storm had been in progress. Others said ships had "mysteriously vanished" when their remains had actually been found and the cause of their sinking explained.

More significantly a check of Lloyd's of London's accident records by the editor of Fate in 1975 showed that the triangle was a no more dangerous part of the ocean than any other. U.S. Coast Guard records confirmed this and since that time no good arguments have ever been made to refute those statistics. So the Bermuda Triangle mystery disappeared, in the same way many of its supposed victims had vanished.

It's a ghost story promoted to make money. It isn't supported by the evidence.

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I got thought the triangle is triangle of electromagnetic field? That caused dissappearances, i don't know because that was a thought.

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Why did you think that? What evidence convinced you of that?

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I voted both no, but I must point out that I did so with some hesitation, as there is undeniably such a place as the Bermuda Triangle; it's just that the evidence clearly shows that there's nothing really unusual about it.

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As I used to live in Bermuda let me restate: there is nothing mysterious about the Bermuda Triangle:

All ship traffic from the Gulf of Mexico to Europe (and vice-versa) goes through it.
All ship traffic from the Northeast US to the Carribean and South America goes through it.
All planes from Northeast US to the Caribbean go through it.
Many of the Bahamas islands are in the Triangle.
Insurance companies do not charge extra premium for ships/planes going through the Triangle.

The Triangle is a very busy shipping corridor, hundreds of ships and planes are in it every day. The rate of accidents and sinkings are no greater than other shipping lanes. No mystery.

However the Triangle does have one mysterious power: it allows Bermudians to sell thousands of T-shirts and fancy drinks to tourists, even though Bermuda is not in the Triangle. Bahamas missed out on some serious T-shirt revenue.

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I suppose in a very vague sense there is a "Bermuda Triangle" - that is, somebody marked off an area on a map and started calling it that. It doesn't mark officially agreed on or physical boundaries. I take it just slightly more seriously than throwing a dart at the map. For me, that isn't "real."

But, yes, the question could have been stated more clearly.

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I agree there is no mystery, but I dissagree with the statement that the rate of sinkings is no greater than other shipping lanes.

From the coast guard web site: 'The Coast Guard does not recognize the existence of the so-called Bermuda Triangle as a geographic area of specific hazard to ships or planes. In a review of many aircraft and vessel losses in the area over the years, there has been nothing discovered that would indicate that casualties were the result of anything other than physical causes. No extraordinary factors have ever been identified.' (http://www.uscg.mil/history/faqs/triangle.html)


The Gulf stream passes through the Bermuda triangle. When a countering wind, or storm is present, rogue waves can be created in this area. This is a natural phenomenon - and a very deadly one. It damages big ships, and sinks small ones.

An article on rogue waves: http://www.math.uio.no/~karstent/waves/index_en.html

The wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_waves

There are a couple of other areas sailors know to avoid in the world, for the same reason. The cape of Good Hope - the cape of storms, Cape Hateras, Cape Mendecino (some times called Cape Maytag) all are places where rogue waves can get you... Been there, done that .. lost the t-shirt when I was swimming for shore...

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Agreed, I guess my statement was a generalization as there are likely areas where rates of sinking are greater. I haven't looked up stats but I presume the Cape of Good Hope would have a greater rate of problems.

Neither of the above links mentions rogue waves being created in the area of the Bermuda Triangle. In fact the examples given in the Wiki article appear to be from areas other than the Triangle (North Sea, Baring Sea, Pacific, other parts of the Atlantic, Gulf of Mexico). I'm not sure if freak/rogue waves are more or less likely to appear in the Gulf Stream.

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Again? This subject comes up so much that the Naval Historical Center has a FAQ on it. Bottom line, according to the deck logs the Eldrige (the destroyer escort in question) and the Andrew Furseth (the freighter that the "witness" was on) were never in port at the same time. Of course the conspiracy minded might claim the record (deck logs, etc) have been faked but given that the whole thing is based on the testimony of one man of very dubious reputation you have to ask who you're going to trust.

(the NHC site may be down at the moment, try the link again later)

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Hello? What about electromagnetic fields? That caused accidents happen. Well last season there were numerous of large hurricanes with lightning and thunder. I wondered that is from electricity. It was going through the triangle zone (marked).

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Hi. What electromagnetic fields? What's your evidence? I'm not aware of this at all.

Again, evidence?


From here:

Hurricanes form in tropical regions where there is warm water (at least 80 degrees Fahrenheit / 27 degrees Celsius), moist air and converging equatorial winds. Most Atlantic hurricanes begin off the west coast of Africa, starting as thunderstorms that move out over the warm, tropical ocean waters.


It's hardly surprising that hurricanes would move through the area some call the Bermuda Triangle, but they certainly aren't exclusive to it.

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What about a North Sea triangle or English Channel triangle?
More ships sink there buthe the, they are the busies Seaways in the world.

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Do you have a link to this or additional information? What electromagnetic fields?

Last year there were over 25 named storms in the Atlantic and the most devastating ones: Katrina & Rita, were not in the Bermuda Triangle. Take a look at the 2005 season tracker from the National Hurricane Center, the only hurricane that crossed the Bermuda Triangle last year was Wilma after it wrecked havoc in Cancun, Cozumel and Florida.

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The Philadelphia Experiment was an attempt to quickly heat a cheese steak sandwich before the microwave oven was invented. It went horribly, horribly wrong.

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Enough!

Here for electromagnetic field, that will help you. I said normall in space but maybe it came from space onto the triangle zone.

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Matt, the real Philly Experiment was an attemp to render ships invisible to magnetically influenced sea mines. Those really suck because you don't have to actually hit them like the older porcupine type sea mines.

To further your knowledge about this in a constructive direction look up underwater mines and mine countermeasures. They were/are a big threat. Though nowadays they have sound libraries in onboard computer storage that have the unique machinery sounds of every ship in the world above a certain tonnage. When a bad guy is detected and identified the mine then launchs a torpedo at it. Better living through science I always say.

(Boy, not as mysterious when you know all the nuts and bolts of it, huh?)

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Sorry matt let me clarify, I (and probably Van Rijn) was asking for further evidence of electromagnetic fields causing accidents, specifically in the Bermuda Triangle. I have not heard of such evidence and the Wiki article on electromagnetic fields does not appear to mention any.

However, there is no 'mystery' of the Bermuda Triangle to solve so speculation on whether EMF's moved into the area are moot - there is nothing anomalous about the level of ship and air accidents in the area.

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T-man, Van Rijn,

Matt is only repeating stuff I've heard myself. Several "documentaries" that I didn't think were around anymore postulate that strange and powerful EM fields may be responsible for the loses. This is because of the reported radio, compass and electronic malfunctions associated with the loses. (Garbled radio reports of spinning compasses and strange skies with no horizon are common themes in any good Bermuda Triangle story.)

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Maybe the government can't tell the truth?

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But it's not just the government. In the case of the "Philadelphia Experiment" it's every person who ever served on the Eldridge. It's every person who ever served on the Andrew Furseth. It's every person who was on a ship in the Philadelphia harbor on the supposed day of the teleportation who saw nothing out of the ordinary. Those who believe something extraordinary happened that day are putting the testimony of a probable con man over that of everyone else who would be expected to be a witness.

So yes governments sometimes lie. But in my experience those lies are rapidly found out. Skepticism of some of what governments tell you is OK. Paranoid distrust of all governments isn't healthy. That leads to overblown conspriacy theories which belong elsewhere on this board.

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Yeah, because "the government" is one big, monolithic thing.

You know what? I trust the government every day, and so do you. At the very least, we trust government-funded agencies. The National Weather Service. The Census Bureau. Heck, the IRS! These agencies all put out data that we use in our day-to-day lives. I trust that my disability money will show up on the first of the month, and it does. What's more, my mother works for the government, and I certainly trust her.

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Er, yes. I was familiar with the definition of "electromagnetic field." That is not evidence that electromagnetic fields caused any accidents or losses in the area sometimes called the "Bermuda Triangle."

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Perhaps. Do you have any evidence for your arguments about the so-called "Bermuda Triangle" and "Philadelphia Experiment"?

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Sorry to take days to respond - life sucks when you are in a country that closes it's internet cafes on Sundays...

One article about a liner that was hit off the coast of Georgia:
NY Times
It quickly became apparent that the big waves formed with some regularity in regions swept by powerful currents: the Agulhas off South Africa, the Kuroshio off Japan, and the Gulf Stream off the eastern United States, where the Norwegian Dawn got into trouble off Georgia. The Gulf Stream also flows through the Bermuda Triangle, famous for allegedly devouring large numbers of ships.

From ESA
So far some patterns have already been found. Rogue waves are often associated with sites where ordinary waves encounter ocean currents and eddies. The strength of the current concentrates the wave energy, forming larger waves – Lehner compares it to an optical lens, concentrating energy in a small area.

And yes there are areas which are even more dangerous - the north sea is one place I never want to sail. And off the east coast of South Africa - makes one wonder do you risk the pirates in the Red Sea or go around the cape?

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The National Weather Service!!! Don't you get it, they just are trying to control us by making us BELIEVE in this "so-called" weather! And don't get me started on the National Park Service!

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