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Old 18-December-2006, 01:17 AM
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Not sure if this has been asked before, but I just remembered that in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know, a scientist(?) mentioned that an experiment exists, where a visible-to-the-naked-eye object appears to be in two places at the same time.

I was wondering if this is indeed true, and if it is, how is this possible? As in, if it is true, could you explain the set up of the experiment, and exactly how you would make an object appear in two places at the same time.


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It's hard to know what was being referenced. They might have been talking about Schroedinger's cat or that sort of situation, but if so, they are mistaken about the interpretation of "two places at the same time". Macroscopic objects are never in a state like that, because of couplings to too much information to ever keep track of in any meaningful way (too much "noise" in the system, coherences break down and with it any sense that the object really is in two places, rather than just statistically so we don't know which, like a rolled die before you look at it). Or, maybe they are talking about some kind of illusion, where you see a false image of something in one place when it is really somewhere else, like a hologram. But again, an illusion is not really in two places at once. Finally, if they are really being subtle (unlikely), they may be talking about quantum entanglement, but again, that's not a property of macroscopic objects. My assessment is that they are mistaking a magic trick for real magic.
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Kabbalist Rav Laitman was in 'What the Bleep' and has this on the web: "Preface to the Book of Zohar" - Lesson 4

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So can this Indian go through the wall? He can. He has no sensor for it, so for him it is neither Matter nor Form clothed in Matter; it’s v ery simple. If we only detach ourselves from our usual perspective, to the real perception that Kabbalists tell us about, we will see a different world.

We might think it strange, but physicists in quantum physics also reach a somewhat similar understanding, because they too enter a world with bizarre rules. Things can suddenly be in two places, or time, s pace, and motion, can have different formations. So they begin to see how everything relates to the receiver.
Yeah, right, because of physicists' understanding of quantum mechanics, then also a macroscopic object like the fantastic Indian under discussion can be in two places at once or walk through a wall. That reasoning doesn't relate well to this receiver.

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Not sure if this has been asked before, but I just remembered that in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know, a scientist(?) mentioned that an experiment exists, where a visible-to-the-naked-eye object appears to be in two places at the same time.

I was wondering if this is indeed true, and if it is, how is this possible? As in, if it is true, could you explain the set up of the experiment, and exactly how you would make an object appear in two places at the same time.


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I don´t know the movie. But if you say >appears to be in two places at the same time< I start to think of gravitational lensing: The Einstein Cross = in four places at the same time! But, maybe, I completely misunderstand you?
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"Appears to be in two places at the same time"?

You mean like a million (?) magician entertainers do very night?
Such a trick is easily done with mirrors, half reflective glass etc., or just by 'prestidigition'!

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Fazor's theory of relativity: I'm in two places at once--I would say that I am "here", while you might say that I am "there". I'm here and there, all at the same time. Problem solved.
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Take anything you heard in Bleep as bleep. After all, they admit they know nothing in their title.
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Well, I guess the movie was bogus, if nobody on here has heard of such a thing.

The movie was tied in with quantum mechanics. The person in the movie mentioned that a regular bystander would think that there are two objects, and not be completely baffled by the fact that its actually the same object in two places at the same time. Im assuming these object are at the threshhold of human sight.

Irishman has a point.
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The movie was definitely bogus.

I came out of it feeling like I had just killed a few hundred million brain cells by watching it...
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