The super collider was almost finished? That's not my understanding.

The 1938 Welles broadcast? I think that was approximately none. One person made a fortunately unsuccessful attempt. Although a lot of people were frightened because they missed the bits of the broadcast which described it as fictional, the idea that there was "widespread panic", with looting and jammed freeways, seems to have been a story manufactured by the newspapers after the event.

There's a summary of actual events here, although the text is unfortunately damaged - there seems to be a bit missing just after the attempted suicide.("Charlie McCarthy" refers to a programme that was being broadcast on another channel: the kids wanted to switch over.)

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In the comments on the Daily Mail news item about it, t seems there were pre-teenage children who were really upset by this and were genuinely frightened, thanks to the media focusing in on "The end of the world" predictions.

On one forum I post on we had titles for threads asking if we were all going to die on 10/09/2008.

This morning, if I heard her correctly, the young lass Kyla serving me my porridge at McDonalds was asking what right these scientists had to put us all at risk.

And now we have a suicide because of how the media in India handled this



I may set up a thread to discuss the irrisponsible reporting that the media has done on this, as it needs to be dealt with separate to this issue IMHO

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Same here.
While I agree with Van Rijn's statement about it not being CERNs job to dispel the silence, I do think that they do have some responsibility to clarify what they said if it results in a misunderstanding.
But; that doesn't mean that I don't think they didn't do that. (is that enough double negatives?)
They have repeatedly, again, and again, said that this is the same thing as natural collisions occurring trillions of times per (?).

The difference is that we may understand what is going on with all this exotic quantumbabble, not that we are creating quantumbabble.

Not only is it criticized, but the media puts thier own spin on it, and takes it even deeper into the doom category because now they aren't restricted to a scientific explaination.

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Their latest, good for a laugh:-
" Urgent update, September 10, 2008

It is our duty to inform you that as of 7:35:05am UTC on September 10, 2008, the Earth has been destroyed.

The destruction of Earth was first reported by Mr Jonathan Barber of Wisconsin, United States, who spotted that his home-made seismic Earth Detector had ceased to give readings at around 8:00am (2am local time). Several other amateur geocide spotters noticed this at the same time but Mr. Barber was the first to place a telephone call to the IEDAB's Geocide Hotline (+44 115 09Ω 4127, ask for Other Dave) at which point IEDAB officials performed an emergency check of their own instrumentation and verified Mr. Barber's report, as well as fixing the exact time of geocide.

Evidence is still being collated, but preliminary results suggest that the Earth was destroyed pre-emptively by scientists at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, Geneva, Switzerland, before the commencement of their experiments to locate the Higgs Boson, as a precautionary measure to ensure that the experiment itself could not result in the destruction of the Earth."

The button is now RED!!

Well, while you're at it, I'll post this site, which I found particularly halarious. Fortunately I've prepared for this very happening. Crowbar's at the ready!

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"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

The resemblance is uncanny.
And that was funny.

But I admit, I'm annoyed by this line:
...for obvious reasons...

Honestly, I didn't read anything from that site. I just saw the photo with comparison, wiped coffee dropplets off the monitor, and thought it definately needed linked here.

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"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

And as I said, it is their place to provide information, and to show the safety of their project. They've done that.

I said nothing against good PR. I simply pointed out that it is not their place to silence doomsayers. Good information and reasonable arguments aren't going to do that - the doomsayers won't ever be convinced.

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Oh, don't get me wrong- It definitely was!
Exactly.
Trying to appease the Doomssayers is like trying to make HB's happy that we went to the Moon.
it's a lesson in Futility.

Observe Pippen and Warren Platts posts in this thread.
No matter how many good explanations and counter arguments to their claims were made- they either ignored the explanations that they could not refute, found new complaints or appealed to insecurity.

I was amazed when Warren Platts actually tried to tally up the Monetary Value of the Planet....!

What, are we going to put it up on Ebay now?

Earth:

How much for vacant possession

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1.8 x 10^-9 x $10¹⁰⁰ = $1.8 x 10⁹¹ USD

So what is that in Euros?

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For all your financial conversion questions...

Are you kidding me? "Slightly Used" The atmosphere has too much CO2, there is garbage everywhere, and they killed off all those lovely singing whales.

I wouldn't give you more than 10⁸⁵, and I'm only going that high because of the lovely fjords.

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So, they say the Earth is destroyed, and the other guys say it isn't. I'm so confused. Who am I supposed to believe?

(By the way, I liked their "BYOO₂ to the Pluto counselling sessions" bit.)

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The answer to the question "has the LHC destroyed the Earth?" is "no". As the second link states, "preliminary results suggest that the Earth was destroyed pre-emptively by scientists at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, Geneva, Switzerland, before the commencement of their experiments to locate the Higgs Boson, as a precautionary measure to ensure that the experiment itself could not result in the destruction of the Earth."


Seriously...the media, attention grabbers, and plain nutcases claiming that it'll cause the end of the world picked a an unfortunately fruitful cause. They've got a great "out"...they'll just say the LHC did cause the destruction of the world, it'll just take a while for the black holes to grow. They can also let things cool down for a while and then whip everything up again in October when the first high energy collisions are done. And again in the spring, when its magnets are trained up and it can do collisions at the full 14 TeV. They might even be able to raise some ruckus about the magnets needing to be trained up, if they're clever enough.

Does Warren remind anyone else of the Black Knight?

If the earth weighs 6X10^24 kg and a proton weighs 1.6x10^27 kg, there are about 4X10^51 protons in the earth (some hiding inside of neutons). If the earth is worth 1.8x10^91 USD, then the going rate for protons is about 5x10^39 USD apiece.

I had NO idea they are so valuable! Easily worth their weight in gold!

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Massive! Or, you're missing an exponential minus sign. We shall assume the second, I think.

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If you really believe this, then I suggest you not complain when funding for scientific projects is cut. Because the world is the way it is, and no amount of wishful thinking will change that.

I agree 100% that it shouldn't be necessary...but it is.

According to some estimates I have seen, over 80% finished when it was scrapped.

It is unclear to me what else they could do, legally and morally, but to provide information and to show the safety of their project. What do you propose?

So, how do you want them to silience doomsayers? Put them in prison? Have laws against what can be said in the media?

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Yes, the law that says a person can't shout "Fire" in a movie theater (unless there is a real fire) should also be applied to Media that insite the same kind of fear and panic.

I see no difference in either the motive behind such an act, or in the resultant panic they both can cause.

Media should not be above accountability when they mess up like this.

I'm all for free speech, but I am not for Meida being the only group excepmt from laws that says such free speech is a crime if direct harm comes to people.

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You guys are killing me, I conceded defeat already!
All I can say in my defense is that I got all my misinformation from CERN!! You saw the links I posted, it was all their material I was using.
For goodness sakes, I have an education, I have traveled the world and I am not even religious and I got it all wrong. The general public, let alone the true Doomsayers, didn't stand a chance of getting it right.
I've already bowed my head in shame, now please stop beating me with the sticks!

Play nice, Van Rijn; I didn't say anything remotely like that and you know it.

Reach out...good public relations analyzes what the public is concerned about and attempts to find ways to address those concerns, silly though they may be. The "We're smarter than you, so trust us," attitude you seem to espouse is at best self defeating.

I am not saying the CERN people have done anything wrong. I am saying ---as far as public relations---they may not be doing enough right. Really, it's OK to question---or make suggestions to---authority, Van Rijn. I support what they are doing and would like to see such work continue.

And who- exactly- will be the scapegoat? The fall guy?

I'm furious over the actions of those who have been dommsaying too.

But let's stay grounded in reality here.

Can you charge someone with a crime for being "Willfully ignorant"?
No, the media has it's rights to free speech.
Much as I loathe this outcome...
That CANNOT be infringed.

If we start justifying it...
Doesn't look like it to me.
Bold Mine:
Pippen says, "I admit it! HE Did it!!"
Sure- Concede defeat by blaming the other guy...

Is this like the part where You Claimed that you Believed the LHC was safe- you were just playing Devil's Advocate?
Try to keep your stories straight, please.
You stood a chance.
You probably stood a better chance than I did.
You want to see my library takings for the past two weeks?
I swear the lady that works there is going to get the wrong idea and think I'm stalking her.

I was playing with my son WHILE skimming as much about this stuff as I could- Even THEN it was too late.

The LHC was switched on before I had a chance to provide any knowledge or worthy contribution to the thread.
You are more educated than I am.
I'm a PLUMBER!

I had to check out FOUR math books, Three on physics and get my housemate involved since my HOUSEMATE is the one with the college education!

And I outperformed you?!?!

No..

You stood a chance.

You just chose not to use your chance. Like Warren Platts- That was not what you wanted.
I most certainly won't beat you with a stick.
In other threads, I've been downright friendly with you.

But in this thread-I will beat you with True Words.
Nothing bad about the truth.
A little truth never hurt anyone

Warren Platts and I disagreed Strongly in this thread. I'm even kinda mad at him.
What happened in the case of the death of a person was not Warren Platts fault. But I am kinda bothered because of the actions that were the same...

But I respect Warren Platts.
He shoots straight and says what he means and means what he says.
We may not agree- But at least I KNOW whether we agree or not.

No, I didn't know that, since you seemed to be ignoring the "provide information" bit I'd mentioned repeatedly. It wasn't obvious what other possibilities were left.

Yeah, that's part of "providing information."

Heh. I didn't say anything remotely like that and you know it.

I'm saying that there is only so much you can do. At some point, you have to realize that some people are unreachable, no matter how good your information is, or how much you say.

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