Correct. Minimal as in basically nonexistant. As I said, there's a risk the entire earth will suddenly cease to exist. Do you worry about that? No - the risk is infinitesimally small.

Dirty_G, please do not take offense but every post of yours that I've read seems to focus upon imagined death and destruction - from asteroid impact, fusion stopping in the sun to this. Dude, if you are not just winding us up, you need to seriously stop wasting your life worrying about these things. If you are concerned about the future for your children, try focusing upon keeping them drug-free, educated and safe on the street.

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At the LHC we are reaching particle energies that are waaaaaaaaaaay lower than the energy of some particles hitting earth every day.
Sure there might be the risk that our theories are false and that earth will cease to exist and the whole universe will follow, but then why does that not happen when those ultra high particles hit us? Why didn't it happen the last time you kicked a stone?

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My point even if there is a slight risk the Collider can destroy the earth why are they doing it

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Because risk that the use of the collider will destoy earth is equally high as kicking a stone. So why are you doing it?

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I mean when you all say it is not dangerous is it because it is what you read from pro sites or do you actually have a knowledge on this stuff

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you lost me laguna

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Also the particles hitting the earth are they the same particles hitting it the same way, plus they aint contained in a container they are opened, dosent this play a factor in the risks

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I think it would be accurate to say that there is no risk of that happening in any sense that could be termed reality.

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I studied 2 years physics at the university and 4 years for my engineering diploma at an university for applied sciences. No I am no particle physicist.
But, the other way round, do they actually have a knowledge on this stuff...

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Here are many articles from scientists that have risk factors

http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/links.htm

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In reference to not existing Hawking radiation:
The LHC produces little black holes. OK.
As the energy of the ultra energetic particles impacting the upper atmosphere in every second should do then too, where are all those millions of black holes in our upper atmosphere?

In reference to the strangelets:
If the LHC is capable of producing matter with strange quarks then the ultra energetic particles impacting the upper atmosphere in every second should do too. Now, your body does not contain a single strange quark. Might that mean something about the tendency of strange matter turning "normal" matter into strange matter?

Most of the other stuff concerns philosophy and ethics.

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I dont understand

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What exactly? To what post was this response?

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your last response, hawking radiation is not proven so no risks can be calculated, they calculated everything on hawking rdiation

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As I said, if Hawking radiation does not exist, then, according to their logic, we should find millions of mini black holes in the upper atmosphere.
So either Hawking Radiation exists or black holes do not form that easy...

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I dont understand this science stuff but all those articles i mentioned before give me reason to wonder

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How can they if you don't understand them?

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what i mean is that i read alot of things that are giving reasons for worry


if you look at the site the bottom response
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/fo...p?topic=5915.0

It is possible that the LHC will start to produce mini black holes when it comes on line next year.
If you do manage to shove the particles together to create the hole it would evaporate in a burst of Hawking Radiation in a fraction of a second. It is this characteristic radiation signature that will show that black holes have been generated in the LHC.

This line It is possible that the LHC will start to produce mini black holes when it comes on line next year.

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I do not argue that possibility. I am not able to do so, thats not my field.
I argue that this means anything in line with security. If the LHC can, then cosmic radiation can too...
Up to now I have not yet seen any confirmation of black holes in our atmosphere. Do you?

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the thing i wanted to know is when they safe it is safe they are sure

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You cannot say that something is 100% safe. Nothing is.
But to say there is a danger of the LHC to destroy earth, IMHO you have to enter the field of paranoia.
Now, those are real people working on the LHC. People with family and children. Do you think anyone of them would continue with the LHC if there was a risk of killing those who they love and the rest of the universe?
Do you think they would do so if they were not sure that it is safe?

I actually have met one who works for the LHC project, he did not make the impression of an insane scientist.

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I understand you laguana,

the thing i dont understand is how they can be sure that is wont destroy the earth, i mean no one knows everything and they have no way of calculating what will happen

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They have theories how the universe works, how particle physics work. Almost anything we have observed up to now point to the fact that these theories represent reality. With these theories they have a way to calculate what will happen. That is why they build the LHC, to see if their calculations are right.
Anything they tried has shown that they are. Now they have to take this immense effort to test it another time. They do not build it for fun. They do so because most other ways have been tested.
If they find the higgs particle their theory will be verified another time. If they don't they ill have to adapt it to that fact.

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Yes but theories are only theories so in realitly they dont know if they can cause dangerous outcomes

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Dirty_G and bmpbmp
How can you be sure that Shiva will not destroy the world tomorrow?
How can you be sure that this is not all a dream?
How can you be sure that our solar system is not just an atom in another universe?

Perhaps you are at the wrong website: http://www.anxieties.com/

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I cant be sure none of that will happen so what you are sying is that they re not sure

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You seem to follow the comon mix-up of the scientific use of the word theory and the understanding of "normal" people.

In science a theory is a model that has, up to now, withheld any cristics and tests.

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What do you mean Laguana

Man I feel so confused on this

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Then you need to learn more about science so you aren't confused and aren't relying on other people to do the thinking for you.