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Old 13-September-2008, 05:57 PM
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some people were worried about mBH's from the LHC , and the concensus is that it will not have major reprecussions like this, but im wondering if there are any other risks that could be cause from the LHC ,not that i know what that would be but if the mBH's is all that is concerned about then we should be in good shape scientifically with no other threats or is there other threats ?

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We're getting off topic, but
Didn't Madame Curie and her husband die of radiation poisoning? I'm just going from my shaky memory on this so if wrong, nail me as usual. Too lazy to look it up.
And I'm not even sure they screwed up, I think they knew the risks and went ahead testing anyways for the advancement of science and betterment of mankind etc.
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Didn't Madame Curie and her husband die of radiation poisoning? I'm just going from my shaky memory on this so if wrong, nail me as usual.
Madame died of leukaemia, which was most likely caused by radiation exposure. Monsieur was run over by a carriage.

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...if the mBH's is all that is concerned about then we should be in good shape scientifically with no other threats or is there other threats ?...
Just the usual suspects:
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...a Greek group had hacked into the facility and displayed a page with the headline "GST: Greek Security Team." The people responsible signed off: "We are 2600 - dont mess with us"...If they had hacked into a second computer network, they could have turned off parts of the vast detector..."There seems to be no harm done...it was someone making the point that CMS was hackable," said James Gillies, spokesman for Cern...
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THe Daily Mail used this story to dredge up "End of the world" woo woo
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Did we get eaten by a black hole yet?
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Did we get eaten by a black hole yet?
Yes. Many leptons have been eaten by a black hole. But those were not temporary visits
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I don't get why some people who are supposedly in the know are saying 'So we didn't get eaten by a black hole then', when refferring to the switch on day, even the Daily Mail. Since surely most of them know, especially the Daily Mail, that it's when they collide particles which is what may create a black hole, and obviously they haven't done that yet.
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I don't get why some people who are supposedly in the know are saying 'So we didn't get eaten by a black hole then', when refferring to the switch on day, even the Daily Mail. Since surely most of them know, especially the Daily Mail, that it's when they collide particles which is what may create a black hole, and obviously they haven't done that yet.
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It's all in humor and fun is all.

We won't get eaten by a Black Hole when it is either.
Nor after it's been on for several months.
Or a year.
And so on...

So test your patience because there will probably be more wisecracks coming down the pike...
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http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
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Yeah, that was around here somewhere last week.
Unfortunately, since I can't find it, I don't have the right to say nya, nya, nya, nya, nya.
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That website is Nightmare Fuel. It's like a science-y version of those videos where soft music plays and then a horrible ghost face pops up.
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Sort of like this one?





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Because I have provided argument after fresh, original argument, and presented reasoned responses to every point the boosters have made. And I'm the one who won't listen to reason. You've got it wrong folks. I have chosen to think for myself. You are all projecting.
Are you absolutely sure that if you got your wish and they instead constructed the LHC on Pluto you wouldn't be in more danger?
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Are you absolutely sure that if you got your wish and they instead constructed the LHC on Pluto you wouldn't be in more danger?
Yes, because any stable mBH's they produced most likely wouldn't get captured by Earth's gravity well. That is, if a Pluto produced mBH ever collided with Earth, it's relative velocity would be greater than Earth's escape velocity, so such a mBH would pass harmlessly through the Earth.

Hopefully, Pluto is far enough away so that the gamma ray burst that would result when it went up would not harm us too much.
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so much to the news in my favourite radio station (which is one of the best when it comes to serious reporting). They made it sound as it was shut down, and it still is down. (at 14:00, GMT +2)

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they will break it themselves.
It all really gives one confidence that those Europeans have done their maths correctly, wouldn't you say?
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Yes, because any stable mBH's they produced most likely wouldn't get captured by Earth's gravity well. That is, if a Pluto produced mBH ever collided with Earth, it's relative velocity would be greater than Earth's escape velocity, so such a mBH would pass harmlessly through the Earth.
But how can you be certain of that? After all, isn't all that hypothesising based on the very theories that you worry those Europeans have got all wrong? And if you can't, is it worth the risk?

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But how can you be certain of that? After all, isn't all that hypothesising based on the very theories that you worry those Europeans have got all wrong? And if you can't, is it worth the risk?
You've got it exactly right, worzel. I am not certain. But my hypothesizing is in fact based on those very theories that those Europeans--and those turncoats from Santa Cruz, or was it Santa Barbara--base their theories from.

My theory is based on the fact that many "scientific" theories have turned out to be radically wrong. E.g., the fact that the universe's rate of expansion is accelerating.

I guarantee that if we took a poll of astrophysicists in 1982 and asked them what the probability was that the universe was actually accelerating, they would have said it's about the same as a fire breathing dragon being created by an atom smasher. And guess what--they would have been totally wrong.

I've read the papers on how mini black holes are supposed to go through this four phase process of decomposition--that is death.

But my experience is that things die hard.

They don't like it.

If I was a mini black hole, I would not like to evaporate into nothingness either.

Sure, maybe it's just me. Yeah right. . . .
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The theory of teleology says it's not a good idea to unleash black holes on one's home planet.
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If I was a mini black hole, I would not like to evaporate into nothingness either.

Sure, maybe it's just me. Yeah right. . . .
Black holes are sentient beings? Your gonna have to back up your claim that black holes fight death by evaporation.
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Where is that said or are you making things up?
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The theory of teleology says it's not a good idea to unleash black holes on one's home planet.
Where is that said or are you making things up?
I am the expert when it comes to teleological thinking. You may consider yourself lucky to have read my words at such a young age.
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I am the expert when it comes to teleological thinking. You may consider yourself lucky to have read my words at such a young age.
Really? Then why is it that I am inclined to put you on ignore for such a nonsensical answer?
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