Want mine?

No, you don't.

Not that I care, I have every intention of giving it anyway.

My opinion is that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about but are enjoying doing as much fear mongering over your nonsense as you possibly can.

Man, you tallied up the "monetary value of the Earth in US dollars."
THAT was classic.

Ah Jees, you don't have to! Only if that's what you want. . . .

I've already said that tallying the value of the Earth in USD is nauseating. It still is. But at least I tried. Pray tell: how do you measure the value of Planet Earth?

So, we're supposed to be impressed with your baseless lack of science...


because you study a school of thought that asserts an inherently anti-science view that the entire universe and all events and things in it are designed and directed towards a certain end?


HMMM.


If you can find anyone stupid enough to buy that argument, please give me their number because I've got a bridge to sell them too.



Yes, barfing is the only logical response to such a completely irrational, metaphysical, antiscience viewpoint as the one you just espoused.

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what do I think?? Well honestly I dont like it at all. It does not impress me one bit that they do this experiment without a 100% certainty it wont cause harm to us all. Granted its not a big probability at all but I would prefer no chance to a tiny chance. Still I'm not going to change anything at all. It takes money and influence to do that. I have neither.

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"Attack the idea, not the person" Posted by a Moderator.
Useful words around here indeed!!

Drunk Vegan, I excuse your ignorance because you don't know what you are talking about. I have read just about every publication that dealt seriously with teleology. And it wasn't the Wikipedia. The "teleology" entry in Wikipedia is about the weakest entry they've got. Sorry, sir--you are not in your league anymore.

Indeed sir.

At least you started a 30,000 page-view thread on the subject.

My hat is off to you.

This is the same as Warren Platts Misconception.

Dirty G- demonstrate that there IS a chance at all~!


Seriously!
What do you people think - That these Scientists are STUPID and have a Death Wish to Destroy the World?!?!?!


If there was even a Remote possibility that the LHC would 'Doom the Planet" the thing would never have been Built!!!

Those IDIOT scientists have to live HERE too you know?

There is NOT even that "remote" possibility.

The scientists ANSWERED like Physicists do and said "non Zero."


There's a Non Zero Chance that Elvis is a two headed Evil Alien Clone too.


Get a Grip on reality already.

no worries. I worried about this a while ago. Still as I said I cant change anything and I have no scientific background. All I know is that i see that it is highly unlikely anything will happen. Well i dont like that. I like it wont happen at all.

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"Attack the idea, not the person" Posted by a Moderator.
Useful words around here indeed!!

My hat is off to you as well Warren Platts.

There's already Been One Death.


It was not caused by the LHC though.

You know fully what was the cause.

Funny how those who do have a scientific background don't seem to be sweating the issue.

indeed get a grip. calm down matey. now let me see scientists said it was not likely not no chance. im just saying i dont like it. sorry if you dont like my opinion but its my opinion.

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"Attack the idea, not the person" Posted by a Moderator.
Useful words around here indeed!!

So?
Your uninformed "opinion" has no bearing on reality.

Like I said in that post- The physicists answered while thinking like Physicists and not laymen.

Just like NASA releasing the image of the "Face" on Mars in the 70's. They were thinking like rational scientists and didn't stop to consider how a bunch of know nothings would latch onto it with a cult following.

Calm down?
I'm tired of blathering Fear Mongering based on ignorance being spewed that stirs up peoples misconceptions and fears.

It's appealing and it's Absolutely DISGUSTING.

I hope the Wagner Supporter here feels sufficiently Ego Boosted in trying to play himself off as smarter than the scientists who want to Kill all life

Meanwhile- People Just Like Warren Platts have already caused one death. It wasn't by a Black Hole.

actually some people with scientific backgrounds do sweat the issue. Surely you have read about it??

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"Attack the idea, not the person" Posted by a Moderator.
Useful words around here indeed!!

sorry im obviously not as clever as you are. Whats a uniformed opinion??

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"Attack the idea, not the person" Posted by a Moderator.
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An opinion given by someone in uniform.

I dont wear a uniform?? eh?? Im obviously not getting the sarcasm here???

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"Attack the idea, not the person" Posted by a Moderator.
Useful words around here indeed!!

Regardless of whether the Wiki entry happened to be your personal preference for how teleology is described, the fact remains that you just tried to suggest that Your Words Hold Weight based on the fact that you are a devout follower of a philosophical school.

Your Philosophy has no bearing on my Science. You dig?

I happen to believe there is an order and a meaning and a purpose of some kind for the universe too.

But I don't go around claiming my philosophical positions to be justification for rabid fearmongering and opposition to science that can benefit the entire human race.

If you had an ounce of sense you'd continue trying to pretend you're arguing from a scientific basis. Because bringing in your philosophical viewpoints is only going to make every single person who reads your words realize that you are a complete whackjob.

And that your arguments are invalid because they are essentially philosophical in nature, not scientific. Those who know the LHC will not have any significant ill effects are those who are arguing using science. Not trying to persuade based on religious or philsophical grounds.

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It's a pun.

Get it?

Uniformed opinion.... an opinion given by someone wearing a uniform.

As opposed to an un-informed opinion - an opinion that is not based on information.

Poe's Law Alert!

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It's not Dirty_G's place to demonstrate that there is a chance--IT IS YOUR DUTY to demonstrate that there is NOT a chance.


I think that physicists are among the most arrogant people that walk the ground of this planet!

Actually, the plans for the LHC were drawn up years before the mBH danger was even conceived.

So did Hitler before he decided to invade the CCCP. . . .

Hawking was wrong about the acceleration of the universe--just maybe he could be wrong about other things.

Oh Neverfly, have I got a publication for you! I've been saving it for a moment like this. . . .

And there's a nonzero chance I'm going to make it with Julie Andrews.
I wish that science had a good grip on reality. Unfortunately, physics is pathetically primitive. They can't even unify gravity with electricity!!!

Amateurs. . . .

It makes absolutely no difference if Hawking was wrong and black holes can't evaporate away through radiation.

Even if they don't, the black holes produced are still far too small to consume matter on Earth because gravity is weak.

Is that such a hard concept for you to grasp?

If black holes had the ridiculously high gravity you seem to think they do, our star would currently be plummeting directly into the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way along with every other star in our galaxy.

It's not, so I'm not worried about MBH's.

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This is a Godwin's. Debate over, Warren loses spectacularly.

Warren, there is no parting gift in this case.

It's not the only thing.

Read the REST of his post after he declares that physicists are the arrogant ones.
Brother...

whats this about people like warren causing a death?? eh?? also anyway Im just saying it does not make me comfy with the LHC. Im not quite as hardcore on the issue as Warren. Just I dont like the idea. Considering our ideas on how physics works (at least certain aspects of it) changes all the time I dont like how we use it to tell us weather we are safe or not

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"Attack the idea, not the person" Posted by a Moderator.
Useful words around here indeed!!

A girl committed suicide after the media had hyped up the LHC as a danger and her friends and such were claiming that the world was going to end.
Fear Mongering.

Just like those that claim Nibiru is coming or that TU 24 was going to hit Earth or have some electrical effect with the Earths magnetosphere- Yadda Yadda Yadda.
This time, the reality is that someone was scared into extreme measures by people that wanted to stir up fear to make themselves LOOK smart even though they were actually ignorant.

As to the rest of your post Dirty G, you clearly still don't understand the situation.

Consider it this way:
There is a non zero chance that you will spontaneously teleport out of the Universe. Are you worried about that happening?
The chance is so very tiny as to be considered Non Existent.

The chance that the LHC could destroy the Earth is so very tiny as for me to feel perfectly comfortable in saying that there is No Chance Whatsoever and not feel like I lied or anything.

Dude,

You obviously need to download a version of Tony's Gravity Simulator

The picture you have in your mind is not the way nature works, unfortunately. . . .

I think there is a zero chance i shall teleport out of the universe. That kind of argument is nothing to do with the LHC debate. I do wish people would stop using these comparisons. As with a girl killing herself?? Blame the media!! Peiople have a right to voice concerns about things. Im sure small decisions people can make every day can cause big outcomes in the grand scheme of things but we dont tell people to stop doing things in case it causes harm. Though in saying that I've used another comparison. End of the day mate I dont like the LHC it relys on laws of physics which change they are not all set in stone. If science was set in stone we obviously wouldnt learn anyting. I would rather they dont take non zero chances at all. Sorry if I seem petty minded.

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"Attack the idea, not the person" Posted by a Moderator.
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Wrong. It's a NON Zero Chance.

It has everything to do with it.
Can you demonstrate that there is a higher risk of the Earth being destroyed by the LHC than there is that you will suddenly expand and pop like a balloon?
And I wish people would learn about what they are talking about at least a little bit instead of making it up on the spot.
Mostly I blame her.
But the point is that it is a direct result of needless fearmongering that is based on ignorance.
They have an obligation to LEARN then. If they, like Platts and Wagner, wish to prevent scientific progress, they need to demonstrate that they even have a clue about what they are spewing so much hot air about.
Wrong. It does not.
You're simply Wrong and you not only are wrong but you know so little physics on the issue that you think you're right.
You're still wrong.
Science ALWAYS takes non zero chances.
So do YOU.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to NOT take Non Zero Chances.

You cannot do ANYTHING without taking non zero chances.
You can't even do NOTHING without taking non zero chances.

You don't even have Clue One what the heck a "non zero" chance IS do you?

Yeah, I know all about Godwin's Law. I chose the Hitler example on purpose. Get it?

Dirty G, Your existence creates a Non Zero Chance that your existence will somehow bring about my Doom.

I would ask you to leave the planet so I can comfortably live my life without fear- But sadly, as long as you exist- so does that non zero chance.

Could you please go immerse yourself in anti-matter?

I'm feeling awfully nervous about you continuing to endanger me. It's the Right Thing for you To Do

I've now decided that you don't actually believe anything you're saying and your arguments are purely for comic value.

To that end, I applaud your introduction of both the "teleological expert" and "So did Hitler!" arguments.

Comic genius.

I salute you sir.

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