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try posting the questions on the talk.origins usenet group, you will get specialists in the field answering, also check out the www.talkorigins.org website
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Is talkorigins the one with the great pages on Piltdown Man?
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It takes more data to fully describe a human body, or even just the brain alone, than DNA can contain. But the DNA doesn't need to contain every single detail about you. A lot of the details will instead come from interactions of your cells with each other and with the outside environment, or are just redundant copies made from a single original stored piece of information. |
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It has been speculated that the lighter skin may be related to the domestication of cattle in Eurasia; people got the required vitamin D from milk (and developed lactose tolerance in the process; imagine how huge advantage it was to be able to drink cow milk after infancy). In addition, it didn't matter if darker skin "degenerated" as humans at higher latitudes didn't need so good protection against skin cancer. The DNA is much more than a sequence of nucleic acids. Although chimps and us share almost identical DNA, the crucial difference lies in how different genes are active. In order to truly understand an organism, one has to know how its genes operate. DNA sequencing is needed, but it is far from enough.
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Thanks for the answers.
5) I have heard some genes are only given to you by your mother and others exclusively by your father. Is this true? Which genes are actually contained in the X and Y chromosomes and does that mean certain genes are more like to be inherited from a particular parent? i.e sons more likely to get the height gene from mothers, daughters from fathers
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Um, my point was to downplay the usual "organism x has n % of our genes" claims. All information needed is of course coded into DNA, but by simply comparing different sequences one can't say how genes operate. Same genes activate differently in different organisms and so on. That's why we're so different despite that our DNA looks so similar. Therefore, "DNA is more than the sum of its nucleic acids".
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Right, dietary products don't themselves include much vitamin D but they do have the chemical compound necessary for skin to produce it.
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Genes on the Y chromosome are only inherited from the father. Genes on a boy's X chromosome are inherited only from his mother. Genes on the X chromosomes in a girl work like the other 22 chromosome pairs: one chromosome from each parent... with the twist that unlike the other 22 chromosome pairs, her father's X chromosome certainly came from his mother, not from his father or a recombined mix, so the girl essentially gets one of those from her mother and one from her father's mother. In animals that use a system like ours to determine sex, with one type of chromosome only present in one sex (like the Y in male mammals and the W in female birds) and the other type present in both sexes (like the X in mammals and the Z in birds), the one that's only present in one sex (Y/W) tends to evolutionarily start shrinking soon after first acquiring its sex-determining gene(s), by losing genes that aren't related to the jobs of sex determination and sexual function. All that's left on the human Y is the small number of genes that make the body develop as male instead of as female and control the production of sperm cells. Meanwhile, the other sex chromosome, the one that's present in all members of the species (X/Z), retains the genes it had back when the sex chromosomes were a "normal" chromosome pair, before they began getting used for sex determination. This can include genes for any traits, no matter how seemingly unrelated to sex or to each other. |
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My question was more around question 4 in the OP rather than question 1. Is it true that human DNA can only encode "a few billion" bits, and is that enough to build a human, or are there information-creating processes needed to finish the "programming"? Our brains are trained by experience to build certain connections, so is the information to build the connections all that counts, or is the information in the connections themselves also important? I heard that as what you were saying, but I wanted to clarify the importance of that.
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NOTE: I refer to a cell as an automated factory as an anology. To believe that a cell really is an automated factory made by someone is as silly as an adult believing that Santa Claus is the one who puts the presents under the tree. Also, DNA is not a blueprint, it is more of a recipe. For example your DNA doesn't contain a map of your fingerprints any more than a blueberry muffin recipe contains a map of where to place the blueberries. Their location is the result of chance. |
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That's quite interesting. It suggests that there are really three determiners of our attributes: nature, nurture, and... chance! Chance plays a role in nurture (which chromsomes you get, mutations and errors, etc.) and in nature (disease, injury, etc.), but it seems like embedding it in those other two does not do it justice-- when there is no identifiable factors in either nature or nurture that control your fingerprints, chance needs a designation of its own as well. One wonders-- what other attributes are like fingerprints? Aspects of intelligence, for example?
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Santa does put the presents under the tree! Don't tell me skeptics have to be Santa unbelivers as well as atheists (Which I'm not.)!
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Have you got a link?
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Perhaps I should explain further why I think it is silly to believe that cells were designed. It is because they show clear evidence of being hobbled together and make use of whatever works rather than what would be a logical and intelligent design. When you consider things on a larger scale and look at the human body it is obvious that it was not logically designed or if it was designed it was by something with a weird sense of humour. The lack of intelligent design in the human body is especially apparent to males who have to walk around with their reproductive organs on the outside of their body.
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Given that a cat has been cloned and the clone looks little like its clone (except insofar that both look like cats) I'd say that the determination of how genes operate is still very much a black box. Oh sure, we know about alternative splicing, siRNA, microRNAs, transcription factors, chromatid organization, recombination, etc., but getting from sequence to function is not [yet] fully characterized. |
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I asked because my recollection was a little different. I thought what they had discovered was a mutation associated with the light skin of northern Europeans, which might be associated with a diet based on agriculture. But I thought you could be talking about some other discovery...
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The unexpected simplicity and sparseness of our DNA is evidence in favour of evolution / against ID, by the way. Clearly, fairly simple building blocks can lead to stunning phenotypical variety.
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Hypothetically, we may be able to do so in the future, but cloning Newton's genome is not the same as making an exact replica of Isaac Newton. He did not equal his genome. What made Newton into a genius -- his genes, his childhood, his society and times, all of the above? And be careful what you wish for; he was also a bit of a *******.
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It was probably this press release you were thinking of.
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I'm eight forever. As Goud said "Science and belief need not be enemies."
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