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Old 16-November-2007, 03:11 PM
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Physicists at the Belle experiment at the KEK laboratory in Japan have discovered a new particle that provides the best evidence yet that some mesons contain four quarks rather than the usual two.
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...the Belle physicists believe that it could be a four-quark state comprising up, anti-down, charm and anti-charm quarks.
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So there is already a change to test the Lisi E-8 hypothesis, by seeing if this new particle fits on one of the holes.
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Well, Lisi E-8 is about fundamental particles. A meson is combination of existing fundamental particles, quarks. Lisi is predicting some new fundamental particles.

An electron is a fundamental particle, of the "lepton" class. A proton and a neutron, however, are not fundamental, but made up of quarks, which are fundamental.

Here is a Wiki primer on the elementary particle zoo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_particles

ETA: E-8 is about "how they go together" too. So I guess E-8 should say this 4 quark meson is "allowed". Heck, I don't know.

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Talking I brake for (small furry animals )?..nope, core collapse supernovae...

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There should be a family of resonances of this type of meson. When neutrons and protons swap identities in a nucleus, the neutron with (2 downs and 1 up quark), becomes a proton with (2 ups and 1 down). The net effect is a down changes to an up, and a W- is emitted. The W minus decays almost immediately to an electron, and an electron-type antineutrino. This would be free neutron decay to make hydrogen atoms...(like around a nuclear reactor, or bomb).
However, in the nucleus, W+'s, and W-'s are snapped up by nearby nucleons, in an incessant flutter of virtual -particle identity shifts.. like Cinderella, as long as they disappear before Heisenberg Uncertainty strikes..(midnight)...no one's the wiser. That all changes when an intruding particle imparts a fluttering W with sufficient kinetic energy to promote the virtual particle into the real world. One such promotion views the W+ as an up/anti-down. If the kinetic energy of the incoming particle is suficiently high enough, left over energy from the first virtual-real promotion can create a secondary particle/anti-particle pair...(Z0) in a classic neutral current. This newly formed Z couples to all the members of the Standard Model, as Z's are universal in their coupling.
So, we should see a Z0 as a strange/anti-strange quark coupled to the W+, ...as a charm/anti-charm quark coupled to a W+,...as a bottom/anti-bottom quark coupled to a W+,....and as a top/anti-top quark coupled to a W+. Cross-sections tend to vary as the square of the energy for nucleon/Z interactions, so I think a quartet will appear here. (guillotine drops on head here.) Be interesting to see a fit on Lisi's E(8).


Phenomenologically, since they should appear with increasing intensity at higher energies..(or temperatures)...such as in a core collapse supernova, they ought to sap kinetic energy from the incoming core matter with a higher probability in the interior of the star. That should lead to kinematic collapse braking, bounce, and a hydrodynamical rebound mechanism. As always, being a weak interaction, a polar preference due to parity effects will display in the morphology of the subsequent expanding fireball, and directionality of any pulsar ejection.
Betcha a hot fudge sundae to the first two takers that there'll be four of these new babies, and that they'll fit on Lisi's E(8)...that's a separate box of Crackerjacks....and another guillotine blade for my head. Ciao. pete

EDIT: Actually, thinking about it, it seemed odd to have four....there should be six in accordance with the Standard Model...the other two would be particularly sharp,or narrow resonances as they should be W+ coupled with Z as down,anti-down, and W+ coupled with Z as up/anti-up, and the collisions are loaded with up and downs to begin with. A retooling of the search algorithms in UA1 or Fermilab might have them already sitting there in the data.
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I remember Jackie Meson--a real wit--wait a minute...
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Pub. That was Jackie Mason....little clicker-noise-maker...and Guido the Guide...here's his hat in the quiksand (fast-forward)..lol. pete
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I know--I think he had a little "collision" of his own once with Ed Sullivan.

No Hadrons were created
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