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Old 24-October-2009, 06:46 PM
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Actually, the original title is cute. My initial thought was, aren't the ants embarassed if you watch them while they're changing?
I thought it well known that ants were exhibitionists?

I mean, they live in those glass houses so people can watch them, all times of night and day.

Ants were the original "REALITY" show!

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Good point, so there doesn't seem to be a direct connection between behaviors from the more scurrying survivors.

However, the female (queen) they feed, does produce offspring. In high doses the compound kills the queen, hence the colony. In lower doses, it probably affects genetic expression to one degree or another, as do many toxic chemicals. Whether this results in changed behavior (like scurrying) remains to be seen. However, if a queen produces more scurriers, regardless of the method, that colony will be more likely to survive than its more stalwart competitors.

It's still a marked change in behavior between successive generations.

BD: Have you reported this to your local university? They may be interested in studying this phenomenon.
Mugs, I managed to kill off the scurrying colony by placing several baits in hidden locations then checking them on the sly to see if they were eating it and they were. Sorry I had to do that as I was curious about them. One bait I disturbed them and they didn't come back to it so I had to be more careful with the other two baits.

Since then, on Thursday a new "perky" colony of the old habits invaded and is in the process of dying.

John, the boric acid kills the ants by dehydrating them. It has the same LD50 as tablesalt and pretty much kills them the same way.
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I think it was here or in the starshipmodeler.net forum where I learned that certain types of rat poison is just blood thinner, based on a woman who tried to kill hereself with it.
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I think it was here or in the starshipmodeler.net forum where I learned that certain types of rat poison is just blood thinner, based on a woman who tried to kill hereself with it.
True, but it's the other way around. It's a fairly famous story, I think, that warfarin (the blood thinner) was "discovered" when someone tried to commit suicide using rat poison (IIRC it was a man, maybe a sailor, but I could be wrong). The patient wasn't successful, but ended up bleeding a lot, and some smart doctor realized the stuff had potential. So it's really that certain blood thinners are just rat poison.
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Well, my first guess is that the new invaders are a different species, or at least a different sub-species. iirc, insect behaviors are pretty much hard-wired, so learning is probably out, and even if they were learning, I think that their behavior would change in that they'd start refusing to take the bait.

Capture a few of the new invaders. You may make an entomologist very happy.
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True, but it's the other way around. It's a fairly famous story, I think, that warfarin (the blood thinner) was "discovered" when someone tried to commit suicide using rat poison (IIRC it was a man, maybe a sailor, but I could be wrong). The patient wasn't successful, but ended up bleeding a lot, and some smart doctor realized the stuff had potential. So it's really that certain blood thinners are just rat poison.
That might be. But the case history was from "Dr. Whopper" who talked about a woman.
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That might be. But the case history was from "Dr. Whopper" who talked about a woman.
It was a man, an Army inductee, that had been admitted to a Naval hospital for taking warfarin over 5 days as a way of killing himself (failed).

See "The Story of Dicumarol and Its Sequels" (1959)
http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/19/1/97 p 105 - kinda towards the end of the pdf document, fwiw. And referenced to Journal of American Medical Association, too, at end of that 'story', fwiw. Twice.

What reference do you have on this, publiusr? Was Dr Whopper speaking of a...whopper?

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