Yeah, I know where you come from, BD, and all my sympathies are with you. I´m aware of the troubles you´ve been through.

But I was speaking of more 'basal' considerations. I was referring to a pristine naivity, derived from lack of intelligence, like the animals. Sometimes I envy the happy ignorance of a puppy.

The creation of intelligence is something extraordinary, and I doubt people have really considered everything that is involved. From a practical point of view, I think we only need sheer processing power, more intelligent computation, algorithms. Intelligence in a cybernetic organism can [and will] raise more problems than it solves.

We have inherited intelligence from the unfathomable ways of evolution. We have to live with that. Now, creating intelligence to solve our problems seems cruel. We´ll be creating slaves.

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What brings us together is stronger than what pulls us apart

Slaves or tools?

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In your rush to call everyone "entrenched" or closed-minded or "limited" you fail to note that the "limit" here has a very natural boundary: that point at which the evidence stops. - JayUtah

Science fiction was never meant to be an educational tool. - Editor Amazing Tales

At least we'd be able to program our "AI slaves" to want to serve us. As much influence as we may exert on chickens or cows, I don't think we can breed in a desire to be slaughtered and eaten.

Symbiosis does not necessarily take the form of slavery.

I actually like GURPS Transhuman Space's view on how artificial intelligence will develop, and how it would be treated. To give the bare bone basics, it won't be like there's this pristine line of "AI" and "not AI"; there will be a series of steps of artificial intelligence, from Non-Volitional AI to Dedicated AI to complete AI (and possibly a step or other besides that), as well as "Ghosts" (uploaded brains); there's a standard method of measuring the intelligence of an AI that more or less decides where it stands in the social hierarchy, although the strongest of AIs are considered as people.

There's more to it, and unfortunately, I don't have all the core gamebooks, so I can't go into all the details. I can browse the wiki page later, when I have time.

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There are few left who
Stare at the skies with wonder
Wishing to know more;
The clouds still drift by above
But the eyes below are blind.
--Laura Lundberg

Check out my writing, maybe.

Traffic lights.

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"What you think you thought you saw you did not see." Agent J, MiB - Manhatten Bureau

But they are not even NI, much less AI. The closest we might get to intelligence in the oceans is dolphins, and we've made dolphin-safe tuna nets.

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"What you think you thought you saw you did not see." Agent J, MiB - Manhatten Bureau

Slaves. Any machine, no matter how sophisticated, that is merely following its programming is a tool. But as soon as it begins to form its own desires and overcome its programming, then it becomes a slave. We might be able to program an AI to want to serve us, but any sentient being would be able to overcome and subsume its innate programmed desires, just as we are able to subsume our desires for food, sleep, sex, etc.

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There is a growing tendancy to think of Man as a rational, thinking being, which is absurd.- Marvin the Martian.

It's gotten to the point where careful investigation is needed just to tell parody from reality. I think that means reality is broken.- Noclevername.

We humans suffer from conflicting desires and a basic inability to be entirely satisfied. There's no a priori reason why we would necessarily inflict this sort of suffering into AIs. The AIs could be designed to be satisfied with thier lot.

That would raise the question as to whether they were truly aware or not. Even dogs are not happy all the time.

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There is a growing tendancy to think of Man as a rational, thinking being, which is absurd.- Marvin the Martian.

It's gotten to the point where careful investigation is needed just to tell parody from reality. I think that means reality is broken.- Noclevername.

I would expect that generally, none of nature's animals would be happy all the time. There's an evolutionary survival benefit for an emotional "kick in the pants" to get yourself off your but to hunt for food and a mate and such.

But we could program AIs for specific purposes other than trying to evolutionarily out-compete their peers.

With which we caught all their tuna.

That's an interesting question. What would an AI want? Even if we managed to program it with every conceivable human-loving program, once it attains sentience by definition it would be able to overcome those desires. So what desires would it form of its own?

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There is a growing tendancy to think of Man as a rational, thinking being, which is absurd.- Marvin the Martian.

It's gotten to the point where careful investigation is needed just to tell parody from reality. I think that means reality is broken.- Noclevername.

Can only echo Argos: We're hardly good at handling human intelligence--that is, at dealing with beings with the same physical wants and needs we have. There will be zero common ground with AI, except that we can both play chess.

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"Call me old-fashioned, but I think fire is magic. And it scares me a lot."

--The State

Their tuna? It would be interesting to see if they really do think in those terms. It might help establish sentience.

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"What you think you thought you saw you did not see." Agent J, MiB - Manhatten Bureau

It would be even more interesting if the tuna themselves see it that way.

Since we don't know what true AI would be like or think like, or if it's even possible, or what human society will be like if and when we actually do create some, there's no way to really know. But given how "responsibly" we currently handle our own intelligence, heck* no.

*The rules of the forum prevent me from using the word really needed here to express the true depth of my answer. Let's just call it "heck to the twenty-fifth power".

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Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Is that the equation The Mule completed in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series? If so, we're a few centuries shy of completing it.

I'd agree with this. Those who're many rungs above us are often viewed with disdain, because we simply do not understand them.

Not I.

This is the "why" behind the "Not I."

Nope. We humans have an insatiable need to feel worthy, wanted. Utopia isn't ours to have - we'd go bonkers, as it's in the millions of years of evolution contained in our jeans. We need to strive in order to thrive.

While this is indeed a form of AI, it's well below what nearly all organism's autonomous nervous systems and reflexes can do.