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Old 11-March-2004, 01:41 AM
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Even though it strives for realism, Apollo 13 is riddled with obscure technical errors. I'll start off with one. Oh, and you're a true PAN if you understand this one
Right after Lovell announces that he sees Oxygen venting from the Service Module, there's a brief close-up of the pressure/quantity guages for the cryogenic tanks. Even though the spacecraft is less than 1/4th of the way into the mission, the No.1 Hydrogen tank only reads 60% quantity, the No. 2 65%.
No wonder they were so concerned about loss of power
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Even though it strives for realism, Apollo 13 is riddled with obscure technical errors. I'll start off with one. Oh, and you're a true PAN if you understand this one
Right after Lovell announces that he sees Oxygen venting from the Service Module, there's a brief close-up of the pressure/quantity guages for the cryogenic tanks. Even though the spacecraft is less than 1/4th of the way into the mission, the No.1 Hydrogen tank only reads 60% quantity, the No. 2 65%.
No wonder they were so concerned about loss of power
I've posted mine before - seeing the Fra Mauro landing site and the Tsiolkovsky crater at the same time is quite a feat!

For all that, they got far more right than any other 'space' movie I've ever seen before.
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Old 11-March-2004, 05:55 AM
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It's not technical, but...

Fred Haise didn't sneak a copy of "Spirit in the Sky" on board, then play it during their broadcast. "Also sprach Zarathustra," the theme to 2001, was what was actually played. Tom Hanks makes a reference to this. It seems like a fairly transparent ploy to pad the soundtrack (which is one of only 20 cds I own) with "era" music.
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* In the post-party scene in the beginnning of the movie, the moon should be just a crescent - Apollo 11 (and all the others) took place during lunar morning.

* During the launch, do the umbilical arms swing the wrong way, or is it just me? Anyway, they should all separate at the same time, not separately (though it is a neat scene).

* There are some details of the MLP close to the tail of the Saturn V which are missing: the hold-down arms and the tail service masts simply aren't there. Which makes me wonder what is supporting the rocket 8-[

* The TLI burn takes place when the Moon is on the other side of the Earth, so it would not be visible...

* The entire burn maneuver strikes me as rather strange. The way they wanted to alter the trajectory, the descent stage engine would need to be run perpendicular to the direction of travel. This also fits better with being able to see the Earth through the LM window; if they were oriented the way the movie shows it, it seems to me that the CSM would block the view.

Oh, and the flames of the engine are of course much more ragged and uneven than the real thing, which would have been smooth and (I think) near-transparent, except for the transient.

What else? There are of course minor differences between the transcripts and the movie dialogue, but those aren't really technical arguments. However, I wish they'd showed the light-speed delay better - it would have been noticeable for most of the scenes.
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Old 11-March-2004, 09:21 AM
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* The entire burn maneuver strikes me as rather strange. The way they wanted to alter the trajectory, the descent stage engine would need to be run perpendicular to the direction of travel. This also fits better with being able to see the Earth through the LM window; if they were oriented the way the movie shows it, it seems to me that the CSM would block the view.
For that matter, they weren't even looking the right way, were they? Hanks was trying to keep the earth in his view while looking out the forward LM window, not the docking window, am I remembering that correctly?

And even though I'm not fully aware of the physics involved, I did think that performing the burn in the direction of travel looked a little odd. "Ok, so they're accellerating toward Earth. What does that accomplish?" But I suppose for a general movie audience, with little concept of raw Newtonian physics, would be confused if they'd tried to depict a perpendicular burn. "What? They're going to miss the earth completely now!"
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Ok, let's talk low tech here since I'm not a science dude. During lift off, the rocket is still clearing the tower yet the wives are looking up to what looks like above 60 degrees and crying and so forth. Cut to mission control and then a very cool shot from above the rocket. Then, BAM, close up of Mrs. Lovell looking back down to what seems like just above the tower.
For me, this ruins the whole scene. Swap those two shots and it would have been perfect. I don't see how they could have gotten it so wrong when the rest of the flick is so very good.
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The markings on the Saturn V are those of the test vehicle, not the ones actually launched.

The logo in the white room indicates Rockwell International. At the time of the mission, the company was called North American Rockwell.
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Jim Lovell's corvette was blue not red.

LOS when the spacecraft goes over the far side of the moon is accompanied by a shot of them crossing the terminator when they should have crossed over the terminator much earlier before LOS.
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Here's a whole passle of inaccuracies in Apollo 13. :P
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You may be interested in this site with a commented script of the movie.

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They missed out the bit about MCC-5. It would also be nice if as well as correcting errors, they'd elaborate on technical points like change to Abort Mode 1B, the cutoff of the S-IC inboard motor, the PC+2 burn, the SHe tank exploding, etc.
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Yeah, but then the movie would be 7 hours long.
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So, the part where Fred Haise battled the alien queen in a power loader, that didn't really happen?
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I didn't like the moon being there. Because, as well all know, there is no moon.
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Yeah, but then the movie would be 7 hours long.
And this is a bad thing?
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The Houston scenes were not filmed in Houston
--- Just because Houston had changed too much in the 25 years between the actual events and the filming is no reason to not show it.

I was lucky enough to hear Jim Lovell speak on the 25 aniversery of Apollo 8, and it was for that mission that he used the line about he and his buddies going to the moon rather than him (Lovell) going on a family trip for Christmas. In the movie they turned that funny line into spring break for the family.
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The Houston scenes were not filmed in Houston
--- Just because Houston had changed too much in the 25 years between the actual events and the filming is no reason to not show it.
And deprive everyone of the thousands of anachronisms to nitpick.
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Maybe Ron Howard will release a special "Extended Director's Edition" like Peter Jackson did with the first two LOTRs. A special 7 hour edition.

Here's one pick for you: Buzz Aldrin has no hair to speak of in real life. Couldn't they've shaved the actor portraying him?

Also, from what I've read on IMDB, the Saturn 5 doens't even match the test rockets scheme.

Also, judging from the scenes with the LOS and lunar sunrise, more than half the moon is in sunlight. Guess its really a neutron star then, huh?

And just for fun: THERE'S NO SOUND IN SPACE!!! :wink:
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Maybe Ron Howard will release a special "Extended Director's Edition" like Peter Jackson did with the first two LOTRs. A special 7 hour edition.
I would like more backstory of what caused the accident, referencing the Apollo 10 incident and the CDDT.

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And just for fun: THERE'S NO SOUND IN SPACE!!! :wink:
And neither are the stars visible.
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Also, judging from the scenes with the LOS and lunar sunrise, more than half the moon is in sunlight. Guess its really a neutron star then, huh?
You mean, because it would have to be rotating in the opposite direction from Apollo 13's orbit, at least as rapidly as Apollo 13 was orbiting it?

Nah, it wouldn't have to be a neutron star to hold together at such a low rotational speed. An ordinary garden variety run-of-the-mill white dwarf would do just as well.
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