Berman has announced that is he talking with Jonathan Frakes about a new movie. The movie will not be TNG (thank god). Instead it will focus on Pre-Enterprise.

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Basically its not finallized but there are talks. If it has any chance of being good and NOT killing the entire Star Trek line of shows and movies it has to be more than just cool CG and bad acting.

They talk in the article that it will have no known cast members from any of the series. Thats a plus if you think about it as a fresh perspective with possibly no anoying cast members like Nelix. But its a minus since its almost a absolute that every single one of them will be a cliche character. Not only that, they will have to spend a good portion of the opening of the movie giving short backgrounds to every character since we are not familiar with any of them.

We will have the strong, yet beautiful woman who knows how to take charge. The emotionless but loyal science officer/engineer. The military "i have a stick up my rear end" weapons officer. The plucky sidekick (either a lowly lowest rank kid or a ploding baffon) both whom somehow get acess to top secret board room meetings above all of their superiors. The hot shot pilot who can pilot anything ever made by any alien race, and finally the Doctor who knows all cures, or can find one in an hour. An addition that does not have to be in but usually will, is someone who thinks "off the mainstream" like a Vulcan, indian, etc....

Don't forget that every female on the ship has to be stunningly beautiful, but the males can run the galmut from ugly as heck to the size of mt. rushmore, or looking like a guy from a romance novel.

Knowing the current producers of the series the plot of the movie will have to deal with this: Judging from a pre-enterprise timeframe, it most likely will not be on a starship, but who knows, they might break the timeline and give them the Enterprise P or something from the future.

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This was sufficiently accurate that I feel no neeed to go see it.

If they were fairly intelligent (I'm reaching here, bear with me), they'd run a series built around The New Frontier novels.

Still TNG, but with enough attitude to be worthwhile. They were great to read, finally having TNG era characters that didn't feel distant or 2 dimensional.

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I see SG1 is at the top of the ratings.

But anyway...

The only way I'd give it any hope is if it is about the SS Valiant. However, I doubt Berman knows about the SS Valiant. If we are to believe Enterprise, then humans have been couped up in the Sol system, apart from a few freighters, for a hundred years after First Contact, so I fail to see what they could do. Of course, since when has Berman ever given a damn about maintaining any illusions of trying to build a consistent universe.

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Actually, I think it's supposed to be a bit AFTER Enterprise. What I've seen about it is that it's likely to be about the Romulan wars, which would place it about 5-10 years after the current time of Enterprise.

from the link above: so you might be right, and if so that would be great. But i don't know. That quote says before even enterprise. All i can see is CG fest with no acting.

If they want to do something really origonal, focus not on Starfleet but something else.

Hands up who things it will:

a) show face to face confrontations between Romulans and humans because Berman forgot that they hadn't seen each other prior to 'Balance of Terror' [TOS].

b) show Romulan ships not painted like birds of prey, because Berman forgot about Lt. Stiles description in 'Balance of Terror' [TNG].

c) do both and excuse it by involving some technobabbly time travel plot.

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Everyone on this board seems to despise everything Star Trek. If you hate it so much why do you care enough about it to post about it?

It doesn't matter what the next movie is about there will always be people that hate it because everyone has their own ideas what they would like to see happen and when it doesn't happen they think it sucks.

Same thing with Star Wars. George Lucas could come out with the greatest movie ever made and people would still think it sucks because it doesn't match their idea of what they would like to see happen.

You are taking us from face value a bit too much. We have had much longer threads about what was so good about the other series and what went wrong with some of them.

Most of us are complaining about how the current producers have nearly run the series into the ground.

Personally i want a change. Give it a couple of months, decide on a top notch series with first rate actors and give it a small budget. Let them see what they can do with that. Some of the best shows around have had minescule budgets and had to use other things to grab people attention other than cool fight scenes and CG. I could p[ersonally cares less about continuity, so what if the tricorders in Enterprise work better than in TNG. Big deal. Im looking for good acting, writing and characters. So far in enterprise i have seen little of that.

DS9 was very good untill they got religious, TNG was spectacular, never liked TOS, and Voyager was good, but not great.
I don't hate Star Trek, i just dispise what they are doing to it. The latest movies have all been CG fests with dialogue to space out the battle scenes. Fire the writiers, and have for an entire season all fan writen scripts. For the year previous to the fan season have them submit. Choose the best of them all and have profesional outside editors correct for obvious grammatical errors and such. Then produce the scripts.

Having read a couple of the fan fiction i can bet that some of them will be amazing shows. Who knows, maybe some of them can get their dreams realized and become professional writers for the show.

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Guess this isn't a good time to discuss how "Jonathan Frakes directing" is enough for me to wait until the movie is available to rent. :wink:

Frakes did Thunderbirds. He's going through a period of alienation.

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mjparme, we post because we care. Most of us were huge fans. I was raised on NextGen, loved most of DS9 (except the way it ended), grew to love Classic, and tolerated Voyager. But Enterprise was so abominable that it nearly killed my love of the franchise. We don't like seeing a once great and world respected phenomenon get run into the grounds by greedy, no talent hacks trying to suck dry the last pennies they can.

I haven't seen it yet, but if Atlantis turns out to be crap, boy will you hear me rant. I've done enough about Damian Kindler's work.

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When does it air in the UK?

But why do you think it is so adominable? I have seen this complaint here before and I don't understand. The only problem I see with it is that there are some continuity problems. However, I look forward to each episode and enjoy it. I am a huge fan of the whole franchise.

I have seen every original Star Trek episode (you have to admit a lot of those episodes are just plain cheesy!) I have seen every TNG episode. I have to say the last two season of that show got almost unwatchable as they were just dealing with feelings and relationships, it was actually quite boring at times near the end (last episode was good though). I watched the first couple of season of DS9 and just couldn't get into it. Apparently it got good near the end but I totally lost contact with it by that time. They show them on Spike TV now so I am catching up somewhat. I liked Voyager too (the final episode of that was probably the best last episode of any series on TV in my opinion). I don't know what the problem was with Voyager either.

My complaint is that the Wagon Train Plot Device (tm) has been done to death. For those unaware, the WTPD is when an episode begins all happy and ordered, then some obvious conflict arises. After the first commercial break we get the introduction of a sub plot and the expansion of the conflict. Nine times out of ten it looks like everyone will die. At the very least there is no way the good guys can win. Then one of the crew comes up with a good idea that turns the tables and the conflict is resolved. Everyone is happy and the ship sails off into the sunset. Bonus points if the subplot was instrumental in the resolution of the conflict. +10 to cheesyness if the resolution teaches some vacuous moral lesson. Those are actually pretty rare.

Every so often the writers split that up into two whole episodes! I bet they think they are really creative when they do that. If ratings are an issue they can do what the Japanese call "fan service." Basically that means showing boobs.

The movies tend to follow this formula as well.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the WTPD. I'm just saying I'm bored with it. So are a lot of other people. Why do you think reality shows are so popular. It's not because they feature real people. Real people don't act like that. People with a camera pointed at them act that way. It's not because the situations are "reality." None of the shows is actually about reality. They are popular because they are different.

I always thought the reality shows were so popular because they were cheap to produce....

But back on topic:
You are right, the other series did have their moments of stupidity and weirdness. For me one obvious one was when DS9 got very religios. It turned me off.
But even up to a good portion of Voyager most of the writing and plot devices did not center around the graphics and women of the ship. Hell i remeber episodes of TNG where you barely ever saw the ship itself, instead it was all inside the corridors. The graphics split up the dialogue and the acting instead of the other way around.

I grew up watching TOS, adored TNG, abhorred Voyager, somehow missed DS9 and can take or leave Enterprise. I think you'll find fans and foes of each variant of Star Trek here. That's why there's so much to discuss. Even those like myself who think the original Star Trek is the Holy Grail can see its flaws, so I'm not surprised to see folks trashing Enterprise at all. It's a matter of opinion.

I like the idea of having a low-budget show. TOS got creative with the lack of sets, and worked them into the plot. One show was done with no sets at all, just a black stage and pencil spots. The actors recall that as being their favorite.

So, test actors and writers by making them do without sets and improvise on the props. Make them focus on the acting again. Ripping off Shakepere etc. is fair game.

Oh, and don't forget Alien Voices. Some ST cast members of various shows have done radio plays.

I'm almost exactly the same, only my tollerence for Voyager was at its breaking point when the series finally ended. They got lazy with Voyager, and even lazier with Enterprise.

Voyager completely ruined ST time travel for me. In the other serieses, it was a strange, wonderful, unexplainable phenomenon that often resulted in wacky hijinks. In Voyager, they had freaking time machines. I know they're allowed in the continuity due to that episode from TNG, but the way the bloody time cops were over Voyager's back all the time made the ship, and its captain, seem too important.

Voyager fell back on the Borg way too often, too. They completely destroyed the dark, foreboding image of the Borg. Voyager's a tiny vessel, and it was taking out Borg cubes half the size of a planet.

But Voyager's worst offense was being visually and functionally static. Seven years without a single stardock visit, and frequent encounters with armed, hostile aliens, and the thing didn't even have a scratch on it. I was left wishing that the liquid metal Voyager arc hadn't involved liquid metal Voyager.


I stopped watching Enterprise when they introduced the Borg. They had me with my hand on the doorknob ever since the words "temporal cold war" were mentioned.

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