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Old 22-July-2004, 07:46 PM
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Scifi wire has an article describing the direction one of the new writers wants to take the show into: In line with the other series!!!

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Basically he said he was a fan of TNG and TOS and wanted the shows aliens and plots to fall more in line with those series and the aliens of that timeline.

He described one change he wants:
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"For Coto, that in part means incorporating more of the original series' aliens, such as the green-skinned Orions from "Shadowplay," as well as the more familiar Andorians and Vulcans. "A lot of people have noticed that the Vulcans on Enterprise don't behave like the Vulcans from the Kirk era and/or the Next Generation era," Coto said. "The Vulcans on Enterprise are more impulsive. They actually are somewhat more emotional. They lie. They don't have the same kind of values that the Vulcans that we know of."

To bridge the gap, Coto envisions a story arc in which a revolutionary Vulcan—Coto calls him a "Lawrence of Arabia" of Vulcan—proclaims that Vulcans have strayed from the teachings of Surak, the legendary Vulcan who ushered in the Time of Awakening and founded the movement based on logic and peace. "And this character will lead a revolution on Vulcan, which will bring Vulcan and Vulcan ideals to where we know them in the later series," Coto said. "And Enterprise will get involved in this." As a result of this resurgence, the political situation with the Andorians changes, and mysterious dissidents on the planet Vulcan attempt to stir up a civil war (and will later be revealed to have been Romulans in disguise), he added. "That's an example of the kinds of stories that we're going to tell this season," Coto said."

Hopefully he will get that.
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Wow. An Enterprise writer who's actually watched the other seriesesesesesesseses. There may be hope for that show, yet.
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Yeah, that's a Story Arc, I can Really, Really Wrap my Teeth around!
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Shocking! So Coto is saying that B&B screwed up big time. Fire B&B. Put Coto in charge.
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Shocking! So Coto is saying that B&B screwed up big time. Fire B&B. Put Coto in charge.
Still around Actually.

From what I hear, Promoted to where they can't do any Harm.

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". . . mysterious dissidents on the planet Vulcan attempt to stir up a civil war (and will later be revealed to have been Romulans in disguise) . . .
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We can't find out that the Romulans and Vulcans are related . . . or, at least, Starfleet can't find out.

And why would the Romulans need to be in disguise, anyway?
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". . . mysterious dissidents on the planet Vulcan attempt to stir up a civil war (and will later be revealed to have been Romulans in disguise) . . .
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We can't find out that the Romulans and Vulcans are related . . . or, at least, Starfleet can't find out.

And why would the Romulans need to be in disguise, anyway?
Well, they can find out that Romulans can be made up, to look like Vulcans.

They just don't have to Actually, catch one ...
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And why would the Romulans need to be in disguise, anyway?
wearing Vulcan robes instead of those silver quilted uniforms, obviously. And not so much of the sneering.
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And this fits into the "Archer is captured by Nazis led by an Ugly Alien" storyline how, exactly?
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And this fits into the "Archer is captured by Nazis led by an Ugly Alien" storyline how, exactly?
Let them muck their way out of the B&B time travel mess and recover with the new arc.

I didn't see anything about time travel in this arc proposal, its already a positive change, regardless of how they'll need to work their way to it.
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And this fits into the "Archer is captured by Nazis led by an Ugly Alien" storyline how, exactly?
Archer wakes up and finds himself back in his quarters on Earth; it turns out the entire first three series were just him dreaming.
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If anyone is mysteriously stepping out of the shower to reveal the last few series as a dream, you just know the Paramount execs will insist on it being wasserface the Vulcan.
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And this fits into the "Archer is captured by Nazis led by an Ugly Alien" storyline how, exactly?
Archer wakes up and finds himself back in his quarters on Earth; it turns out the entire first three series were just him dreaming.
Archer wakes up in a chair, removes a funny helmet from his head, the camera pulls back and we see he's inside something that looks like a dentist office. On the glass door leading into the office, we can make out (in reversed letters) "Psychology: Somniatic Evaluation"; two geeks in white lab coats enter throug another door, huddled over a printout, shaking their heads.

The head geek talks to Archer, mentions that after this examination some disorientation is natural, and asks Archer if he knows where he is.

Archer mumbles something, the head geek says that he has undergone an enforced dream analysis to determine his qualifications for Star Ship Captain.

Archer says that now he remembers, he shakes his head, noting how it all seemed so real.

The head geek concurs, and says "I suppose congratulations are in order. The computer evaluates the results, and assigns a score from 0 to 100 to the various candidates." The head geek shakes his head a bit. "I didn't think it was possible to achieve a negative score."
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[edit] On the glass door leading into the office, we can make out (in reversed letters) "Psychology: Somniatic Evaluation"; two geeks in white lab coats enter throug another door, huddled over a printout, shaking their heads.[edit]
If you look very carefully under those words on the door, you will see this:

A Division of Total Recall

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The head geek concurs, and says "I suppose congratulations are in order. The computer evaluates the results, and assigns a score from 0 to 100 to the various candidates." The head geek shakes his head a bit. "I didn't think it was possible to achieve a negative score."
ROFL...
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The head geek concurs, and says "I suppose congratulations are in order. The computer evaluates the results, and assigns a score from 0 to 100 to the various candidates." The head geek shakes his head a bit. "I didn't think it was possible to achieve a negative score."
Indeed.
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That's such a nice end to a thread I hesitate to tack on a postscript. But Enterprise just came on the telly tonight and I was struck by how much there is in the opening titles of compasses, maps, geometry, mathematics, things that look like epicycles and Great Circle routes and Holmann transfer ellipses and comet tracks....

Certainly sets up the wrong expectation. Indeed, with the whole Zindi plot-line it was hardly about exploration, even. Pretty much is the latter parts of "Saving Private Ryan" only with uglier Nazis. Some of the Zindi species made a nice change from the "glue-rigattoni-to-their-foreheads" norm, tho.

I seem to recall reading some comments here about how this so pre-dates TOS that they shouldn't be expected to have sophisticated proceedures for conducting exploration. Colonel O'Neil would disagree. So would Amundson, or Byrd, or practically anyone else who made a living exploring uncharted wild places.

I mean, come on...I've known a few sailors in my time and I can't imagine any of them setting out onto deep ocean without charts, radio, flares, bilge pump tested and in working order, etc., etc. This is so much a basic attitude among explorers it's only notable when you have someone who doesn't take that kind of care.


Okay, so this is prime-time TV. Explosions and babes and keep the intellectually taxing stuff down to a dull roar. But I do wonder if there isn't a big cross-over between anyone who is still following Star Trek and the kinds of people who watch National Geographic specials. Why TNG was most exciting during the Sternbach era of ideas (and reasonable techno-babble with actual real science showing up here and there) and not during the "off with the shirt, Jean-Luc, tonight we's hunting Borg" era.

At this point Trek is no longer about ideas that translate to our own lives and cultures, any more than their "science" has anything to do with anything we recognize as science today. The conversations it generates in the fans are all in a secret language; conversations about made-up entities in made-up terms; "can nano-probes get through hyperphasic sheilding?"

Ah, well. I'd settle for even some honest nostalgia at this point. Bring on them green Orian slave girls!
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Why TNG was most exciting during the Sternbach era of ideas (and reasonable techno-babble with actual real science showing up here and there) and not during the "off with the shirt, Jean-Luc, tonight we's hunting Borg" era.
Well, it's nice to think I helped with the overall TNG effort, thanks. But there's no reason science and drama can't work together. It's happened before and it'll happen again. Just maybe not ever on Star Trek. I loved the high tech concepts and the extrapolated science from today that we got to use, but I don't mind an absense of science as spoken in dialogue, as long as the plot points involving science and technology that are there aren't goofy or inaccurate. Even a highly advanced science that we don't totally comprehend, a la The Abyss, is okay as long as it's internally consistant and used in an interesting fashion. One of the big problems with current Trek, as in Enterprise, is that the science is cookie-cutter stuff from TNG and Voyager to the point it becomes worn out. The isohypermetaphasic-type babble gets amazingly boring. At least when I wrote the stuff it actually meant something.

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Well, Mr. Sternbach, I also noticed that in quite a few stories form TNG that there were real efforts to maintian conituity with the original series. The pilot was very touching in including Bones.

As one who remembers the debuit of the original series with a bit of salt and a smile, I (for one) might actually start watching Enterprise, if in fact it does start to lay more pre-Federation groundwork.

And after having read "The Physics of Star Trek" I do see where you may have actually tried to keep some consistancy in the babble . Did you have a list of terms that applied to specific situations and sections of the ship?
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Late comer to the party but I just had to say this in regards to this tittle:
Enterprise is heading in a new direction

What things can come back out of the toilet. Egads.............I'm looking next time to make sure I don't get it in the bum by a ****ed off goldfish.
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Hrm. "The Abyss" worked best for me in the places where real physics and physiology held sway. The situation, up to and definately including that last dive-with-no-return, was clearly and simply portrayed and strongly involving; as direct and shocking as a factory on fire or a barbarian horde with knives.

I didn't mind at all that the aliens were uncomprehensible, their science quite imaginary. The solid foundation of the diving setting made the aliens that much more believable. However... having the aliens change the rules in the last ten minutes was a terrible mis-step.

It's a bit like getting nine-tenths of the way through a good murder mystery, watching as the bitter ex-cop fights his way through a corrupt system until he is finally at that last, fateful confrontation with the killer -- and suddenly, Spider-Man swoops in from another novel and wraps everything up.

I feel the Abyss would be a better film if it ended perhaps ten seconds after the wires were cut on that bomb. He makes his sacrifice for them, for humanity, for his own beliefs in right and wrong. He gets one last glimpse of them, mysterious and full of awe and joy. Cue titles.
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As one who remembers the debuit of the original series with a bit of salt and a smile, I (for one) might actually start watching Enterprise, if in fact it does start to lay more pre-Federation groundwork.
It doesn't.
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Well, Mr. Sternbach, I also noticed that in quite a few stories form TNG that there were real efforts to maintian conituity with the original series. The pilot was very touching in including Bones.

As one who remembers the debuit of the original series with a bit of salt and a smile, I (for one) might actually start watching Enterprise, if in fact it does start to lay more pre-Federation groundwork.

And after having read "The Physics of Star Trek" I do see where you may have actually tried to keep some consistancy in the babble . Did you have a list of terms that applied to specific situations and sections of the ship?
If I had made an actual list, I might have been tempted to reuse a lot of the terminology, leading to the problem I described with the stuff getting old; rather, I looked at the scripts and once I knew what the requirements were, I came up with what I thought were the proper concepts and terms. I gave the writers a few choices, of course; they could pick terms that flowed more trippingly off the tongue, since not all techy words did.

I've kept a fairly complete copy of the tech notes from 1987-1994; mighty good readin'.

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