oh and btw, the main covenant starfighter is the Seraph Fighter, its got shields and all, the banshee is just a in atmostshere craft. The TIE fighter and interceptor class doesnt even have shields! It actually does come down to how many capital ships the empire has, since sucidal brave Elites could just ram star destroyers, even IF they were better, you cant survive a 1.5km ship crashing with 1.6km ships. They'd both explode, this is IF the covenant are on a lower level of tech than the covenant, which I highly doubt. Imperials aren't sucidal (they fear death) Otherwise, all they'd have to do to wipe out the rebel fleet at Endor was to crash all their star destroyers into rebel ships, wiping them all out. After all, there WERE 2000 Empire ships and... 50 rebel ships... what they did was hide behind their shields and send out tiny fighters to engage more tiny fighters...

Okay, new question. Halo Forerunners v. Stargate: SG-1 Ancients. Both had weapons capable of eliminating sentient life in an entire galaxy. Discuss.

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Been away for awhile, need to catch up...

Post #289
1)There would be no Sun Crushers in this fight, nor Eclipse.
2)The number of ships is defiantly wrong.
3)The fact that both can base delta zero a planet just points out how even Covenant and Imperial ships are.
4)I agree that Grand Admiral Thrawn was letting his feelings for SW get in the way of making clear arguments.

Post #290
1)Once again there shouldn’t be any Eclipse’ in this fight

2)No new Dark Troopers can be produced, all Phase 3’s were wiped out, and there’s not many Phase 2’s. Tie Maulers running over ground troops, well if they aren’t destroyed before them reach the troops then it would be just like running them over with the Warthog. There’s a counter to everything even the AT-ST’s, it’s called ghosts. How low can AT-AA’s fire, because banshees can scrape the ground and crush infantry easily. As for AT-AT’s easily taking a Scarab, that makes me laugh. It’s very well armoured, and its cannon would be more than enough to pen any armour on an AT-AT.

3)The only tie’s that would be here would be Tie Fighters, Tie Bombers, Tie Advanced and a limited number of Tie Defenders. Non except possibly the Defender would out class the Seraph fighters, and don’t forget Seraphs are also shielded.

4)The only hero’s that would register would be Vader, Thrawn, Bobo Fett and the Emperor, as none of the others are Heroic enough. As for Planetary shields stopping the Halo Weapons… not happening. Not much is known about how they work, but it requires extreme distances to be safe from it. Also the Forunners who built the Halo’s would have factored shields in and made them so they should have enough 'what ever they use' to overpower anything. After all it’s a weapon designed to wipe out all life in the galaxy, nothing is suppose to be able to hide from it, just be really far away when it goes off.

Post #295
The Elites are the Military might of the Covenant, they are the Leaders when it comes to military matters. The only reason that the Prophets took over during the Human Covenant war was that they were trying to cover up the fact that the humans were the descendants of their ‘Gods’. But as the Humans in SW evolved separately from the Human in Halo, They wouldn’t have to cover anything up and would leave the military matters to the Cast that knows it best.

Post #296
I agree with everything you said.

Post #301
Yes the closest SW equivalent to the Banshee would be the Snow Speeder.
The Suicidal aspect of the Covenant would defiantly give them an advantage.

It depends on what time period the Empire is in when they fight the covenant. So saying there is no esclipse is completely wrong. The only reason it was ever destroyed was Luke and Lea were able to reverse the force of the new emperor and it destroyed the esclipse.

AT-AT armor can withstand magma according to Thrawn, lets see a scarb survive that. A covenant Capitol ship compared with the Imperial Star Destroyer is a terrible match. The ISD(55 turbo lazers, ion cannons and many other attributes) has much more fire power than most covenant capitol ships which explains how hard it would be for a covenant capitol ship to ram an ISD.

This is not necessarily a battle between capitol ships. This is also a battle of other space vehicles. Broadside cruisers have very longranged boron missles that are devastating to space stations and frigates. The tartan patrol cruiser would be a counter to Seraphs because it is designed to take out small fighters and it is 200-600 meters long equipted with lazer cannons.

Tie defenders are very maneuverable fighters with ion cannons, lazer cannons and proton torpedoes. Even if there is not a lot of them they could take down several covenant capitol ships before being destroyed due to its maneuverability and shielding.

Clone Commandos would give the covenant a fit. There like another master chief but in more numbers. Imagine what over a hundred commandos could do.

I've got some information on Turbolasers. Rather than restate it all, I'll just post the links to the sites. Note, read all the pages in this following link. It has some on Ion Cannons to.http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/
Note that some of these pages are from a Star Wars vs. Star Trek site, so that's why it might mention the Federation and such. Some more on Star Wars beam weapons. http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...eam/Beam2.html
Some on Star Wars missiles. http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/.../Torpedo2.html
On Star Wars power generation.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...er/Power2.html
On sensors.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...s/Sensor2.html
On Star Wars propulsion.

On Star Wars Industrial Capacity and Territorial Holdings.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...Industry2.html
On other miscellaneous tech.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/.../Special2.html
Halopedia even states in its article on Slipspace that hyperspace is faster, so and here's that link. http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Slipspace#_note-1
Faster FTL drives would allow the Empire to strike where they are powerful, and the Covenant was not.

I've read that turbolaser commentary before and find it unconvincing based on optics. I posted it around here somewhere.

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In response Humphrey’s comment, it took a whole fleet for the Covenant to glass a planet (Show me where they don't?). It took ONE Death Star to DESTROY a whole planet!!!! And, only a few Star Destroyers could glass a planet. Plus ISDs (Imperial star Destroyers) are superior to Covenant Ships. It is true that Imperial troops are superior to Covenant ground forces. Imperial troops don’t run away when faced with enemies (like cowardly grunts), and the wise Military Commanders are the ones that make the Imperial Military “unbeatable” (When I say that I don’t mean invincible, but very strong and adapt to different situations. Best exemplified by the strategies of Palpatine, General Veers, Grand Admiral Thrawn, and many others…)

These statements are false. First the Covenant doesn't copy what they see, the Covenant only copy the Forerunner's technology (What did the Covenant Copy that UNSC had? I don't see Spartan-II Elites?). Second, the Covenant make jumps through slipspace that takes months in a Galaxy smaller than that of Star Wars!!! (Hyperspace takes shorter in a larger Galaxy!!! The massive DEATH STAR could make a jump through hyperspace faster than a Covenant Cruiser!!!!)

You shouldn’t make statements like that especially when you don’t understand what you are talking about. You are blinded by ignorance (from your opinion and not fact), and you are overestimating the UNCS (because you don’t understand all the facts). First of all, the UNSC were LOSING a war with the Covenant (which has incredibly fewer numbers and less advances than the Empire). The UNSC was greatly crippled by the war with the Covenant. (And don’t give me “the Spartans and Master Chief are invincible!” Because the Spartan project was condemned a FAILURE! (Even though the Spartans SAVED the UNSC on many occasions. The Spartan-II project had a HIGH casualty rate. Master Chief is “the last Spartan.” (Even though those who read the books know of a few who survived.) Master Chief isn’t invincible either. He had his bum rescued by many.) So what makes you think that the UNSC (who barely escaped ANNIHILATION in the hands of the Covenant) would defeat the Empire? What is in favor of the UNSC? What is in favor of the Empire?

UNSC:

Some fleets of ships
Marines
ODSTs
Spartans
Few strong leaders
(There really isn’t that much to list.)

Empire:

Many large fleets of ISDs
Millions of different star fighters (TIEs and many different types of them)
Millions of troopers
Shock troopers
Ops troopers
Commandos
Space troopers
Mercenaries (from hired guns to top Bounty Hunters like Boba Fett)
Millions of different types of battle droids (not Trade Federation)
Many strong leaders (like Thrawn, Veers, Tarkin…)
SITH LORDS
Dark troopers
Dark Jedi
(And much more… I could go on… and on… and on [like the energizer bunny])

UNSC ships aren’t “fitted for war against the covenant.” The Covenant creamed the UNSC in space battles. I don’t see the UNSC equipping their ships with shields like the Covenant. The Empire has even more advanced tech than the Covenant!!! Imperial shields were designed to absorb the impacted of strongly concentrated fire from heavy turbo lasers, and they even had thick shields to protect them from missiles, torpedoes, asteroids, and ship crashes. Covenant shields were designed to block un-concentrated plasma fire, and are vulnerable to concentrated plasma fire (read First Strike). Another problem (which you already addressed) is that the UNSC has limited fighters. You said they could probably build more, but “whose gonna fly it kid?” (Nice quote from Han) The UNSC has limited pilots as well, and training new ones would take a long time. The Empire builds hundreds of fighters and trains hundreds pilots in a short amount of time. TIEs are some of the fastest fighters in the galaxy (but the don’t have shields. This is why the X-wings have an advantage, but the Empire created different fighters with shields to counter the shielded X-wings.). TIE pilots are some of the best pilots in the galaxy (like Fel and dozens of others). The Empire has advanced the laws of physics and a better understanding of it. (Not to mention that the Chiss have an even better understanding than the Empire does, and their allies with the Empire!!!)

An R2 unit is seven score times as much advanced than UNSC A.I. R2-D2 has thousands of different functions, and can store and hold an extremely large unknown number of data. From the books and games, Cortana takes a while to download large amounts of data, but R2-D2 loads an ENTIRE databank of a MASSIVE BATTLE STATION in a short amount of time. Cortana can only “capture technology” if her systems allow it. (what I mean by that is that the Empire doesn’t use the same or similar type of consoles. There isn’t a “access point” that Cortana may enter. Cortana doesn’t have a outlet arm for accessing Imperial computers, but R2-D2 does have an adaptable arm for accessing computers through discs, slots, cards … Plus R2-D2 isn’t as “corruptible” as Cortana (seen in Halo 3). R2 could actually stop viruses and slicers from entering his system.

Like I said before, the Spartan program was a failure. Storm trooper armor is bullet proof and only concentrated plasma could penetrate it. Spartans are stronger, but with power gloves Stormtroopers would be able to outmatch a Spartan’s super strength. Plus Commandos are superior to Spartan-IIs, and not many weapons would be able to penetrate trooper armor (I’ll give credit to the Spartan Laser, but that only has 5 shots and is easy to out maneuver. UNSC has very few Spartan Lasers, because they are very expensive.) With greater armor and weapon technology plus greater numbers, the storm trooper beats the stronger, but (compared to a trooper) poorly armed and armored Spartan. Therefore, Storm trooper > Spartan

In response to this comment, we mentioned the Sun Crusher already, and the Empire wouldn’t even need it to defeat the Covenant (or UNSC). Though the Sun Crusher is great example of stronger Imperiail technology. (Same goes for the Eclipse)

The Empire has 25000 ISDs! But, that’s not including the cruisers, frigates, Super Star Destroyers, battle stations, super weapons, Dreadnaughts, and other vessels. The Covenant has only 5000 including all frigates, cruisers, flagships… Plus the Imperial ships outmatch and outnumber the Covenant with ships with better shields and weapons. It wouldn’t take the Empire that long to wipe out the Covenant. Like you said… “Poor Covenant….”

And I was exaggerating (and joking) when I gave those odds, I said that because the Empire does outnumber the Covenant. The odds against the covenant are very high (but not that high). Do you see my point? I didn’t really mean 999,999,99… to 1. I was also exaggerating with the Imperial dark knight, but a dark knight could take on units of them at a time. (Plus there isn’t even close to there being 100 Spartans) I was merely making joke that was out-of-proportion. But the true proportion is in fact in favor of the Empire.

That isn’t true at all. World Devastators have extreme armor that isn’t penetrated by most plasma or highly concentrated plasma (Though super laser and extremely concentrated plasma could penetrate it). But the Covenant or the Empire for that matter, wouldn’t be able penetrate a World Devastator’s armor (But a Death Star, Eclipse… could penetrate it with super laser).

Like I said before, I was joking about the huge proportions. I definitely wasn’t overestimating anybody or anything. I was merely joking with full knowledge of the truth. A wise commander (like Thrawn) would have known that it was a joke and not truth. Next time, I’ll try to make it clear for those of who can’t discern between a joke (or exaggeration) and a fact. If you still believe me to be “overestimating,” than you need to check up your information or sources. With or without the humorous jokes, the Empire still wins.

I’m sorry if I’m being too harsh. Please, forgive, me. I’m a huge Star Wars and Halo fan such as yourself, and I enjoy these debates. I meant no harm. I think you only misunderstood my post. Well, see you around.

Wow! Bravo! You basically summed up all that I’ve been saying (well, the main points) in one post. (And you say you don’t know that much.) Your understanding of the situation is what I desire that others may understand as well.

By the way (You probably already figured out), I’m Commander Thrawn. See you around T-man.

=)




No. It wouldn’t turn out like that. The Empire would defeat the Covenant, and then the UNSC would surrender to the Empire. A fleet, garrison, and an Imperial Governor would keep control and the Empire would bore Earth’s population with the extreme advance of physics and chemistry… Earth would be bored from long lectures on the Imperial advances of science. The Empire would rule the Milky Way, and peace and order would be obtained through Imperial sovereignty.

=P

The Covenant fleet was greatly decimated by the time of Halo 3 from years of war with UNSC. What makes you think the Covenant could stand against the Empire (which is a bigger threat)?

The Covenant fleet (at it’s peak) barely even reached 5000 (an estimation from ships of all sizes). Most of the fleet was made up of the smaller ships (and the smaller portion made up the capitals, cruisers, destroyers etcetera). If you’re talking “Palpatine era”, then you have to consider the 25000 Imperial Star Destroyers not including smaller ships, dreadnaughts, cruisers, frigates, super weapons… I think you need to do more research. Look I know what I’m talking about, I’ve read the books and comics, played the games, and searched facts through different sites on both sides. I have information to counter yours. Show me where there were more than 5000 Covenant ships? I just rechecked my resources just in case you were right, but I found nothing to back up your story. Check Halopedia, read the books, play the games, if you find something then show me. Beating the game on legendary has nothing to with this topic. I’ve beaten it on legendary as well, but it has no revelation to this topic.

Covenant Fleet = (through my rescources I found that the Covenant consisted of 1550 ships, but I will estimate 5000 because it wouldn’t as bad of a slaughter as 1550) estimated 5000

Imperial Fleet = millions

“At its peak, it fielded millions of warships and fulfilled Emperor Palpatine’s will throughout the galaxy.” (Wookieepedia, Imperial Navy)

During Palpatine’s reign, the Empire had about 25000 ISDs that was included in his millions of ships.

Hmm… lets see here… 5vs 1000x (millions)

That’s a 1: 200 ratio!!!! For every one Covenant ship, there would be 5 Imperial Star Destroyers and 195 other ships!!!!!

If those numbers aren’t enough proof to show how much the Covenant is outmatched, then you’re very ignorant.

Now for some ship-to-ship comparison. Imperial Star Destroyers (ISDs) turbolasers are highly-charged plasma that is concentrated into a thin bolt for maximum effect in concentrated areas. Their deflector shields were designed to reflect as much concentrated firepower as possible, and particle shields were meant to stop asteroids, torpedoes, and ship collisions. Covenant ships use plasma cannons that fire plasma that isn’t concentrated into a thin bolt (as turbolasers), and their shields were meant for deflecting “un-concentrated” plasma. As seen in Fist Strike, when Covenant ship’s shields encounter concentrated plasma fire, the shields are defenseless and the ships armor is easily pierced. An Imperial Star Destroyer’s turbolaser would cut cleanly through a Covenant ship’s shields and armor like “a hot knife through butter.” Covenant ships could barely stand against a Star Destroyer’s turbolasers.

Most definitely the battles in space would be over quickly. Superior numbers and technology would defeat the Covenant fleet. In space, the Empire would dominate (and that’s not even mentioning the Death Star).

“Suicidal” Brutes and Elites would be no match for particle shields, thus their death would be in vain.

Covenant ships might be able to escape the gravity of Interdictors, but they wouldn’t escape from the large tractor beam projectors (depends on what type of tractor beam, but it is possible). For instance, one ISD might not be able to hold and entire Covenant Capital, but three could.

The Covenant is “out numbered by a ton,” but stronger ships and vessels etcetera, also outmatch the Covenant. You are right that many are ignorant to the facts. Read the books and comics. The “Legacy era” Empire (or actually New Empire) would beat the Covenant 3x harder. Technology has tripled in that time.

First let’s straighten something out, everyone is “bickering” over what era it is. Personally, I don’t give a “bantha’s backside,” it really doesn’t matter (well, actually it does but the out come is the same: the Covenant would lose). All the different eras, have different pros and cons, but no matter which era you choose, the Empire has the favor of winning.

The way I see it (in eras) there is the Post Clone Wars era (pre-Episode III and after), Empire era (Episode IV-Episode VI), Imperial Remnant era (after Episode VI), and New Empire era (Legacy). Now that isn’t official, but it does break down the “Imperial eras” well. Now I could break down the Covenant into eras, but I really don’t want to; because number one, to quote myself “I don’t give a ‘bantha’s backside,’” and number two, it is very absurd. Think about it if you select any “era” then, you have to consider what time period both galaxies are in. Halo takes place in the future, SW takes place in the past. I hate that stupid theory from post #1 that began this topic, that some “worm-timehole-phat-cosmic-piece-of-phooy” warped both sides into fighting. Do you know what that sounds like to me??? Well, the obese “thing” from The Rise of the Silver Surfer ate the covenant fleet and then miraculously farted the Covenant fleet into the middle of an Imperial fleet. Then both sides were like “What the…” The Covenant was like “destroy the inferiors,” and the Empire was like “conquer the new species.” Sorry if I’m going on and on, but it is pathetic. I’m not going to waste my time on that theory so I’m just comparing the facts. So I don’t want to hear (excuse me) read any post stating, “no, the ‘blablabla’ wasn’t in that era” or “hey, that ‘blablablabla’ wasn’t created until after Halo 3.” So, I don’t care if you guys want to oppose my suggestion. I’m just comparing “fleet to fleet,” “ship to ship,” “army to army,” “tech to tech” etcetera. Unless you’re comparing a certain fleet, group, division, or army, I don’t want to hear it.

The Covenant, especially the prophets, are very stupid when it comes to military strategies. Now, very thick shields like planetary and particle shields are strong enough to protect the Empire from the Halo effect. The Imperial fleet would either evacuate by entering hyperspace (fast enough to escape a Halo’s activation), or turn on their particle or planetary shields (particle shields are on every ISD, the Death Star (well at least the Second one) had a planetary shield plus other shields).

A Super Star Destroyer would be able to take on a Covenant fleet (especially the Executor). And, a handful of Star Destroyers would be able to destroy a Halo installation.

You are right to a certain degree. No one knows EXACTLY how large the Covenant is. From the books and games, we find that the Covenant is estimated to be at it’s peak, about 5000 ships, but from reading the facts, the evidence pointed that there were less than that. But, even if we assumed exactly 5000, then the Covenant fleet was extremely decimated by the end of Halo 3. The Covenant wasn’t keen on occupying planets; they were keener on finding their artifacts from the forerunners. It is very unlikely that the Covenant occupied “thousands of worlds.” From evidence, we know that the Covenant was made up from a few different species (Hunters, Grunts, Elites ect.). So we can assume that each species had a home world, but we aren’t sure if the Covenant is even occupying their home worlds. During the war with UNSC, the Covenant only occupied worlds that had revelation to their search for forerunner tech and activation of the rings. The Covenant glassed any world that was no use for them. Glassed worlds aren’t much use for the Covenant so they lat them be. If you want to say that the Covenant, claimed planets, I believe that the number would less than 50. I know the Elites speak of their home world, but the Elites are not the Covenant. The Covenant forced the Elites into service by enslaving them (same with Brutes, Hunters, Grunts etc.). The Elite fleet by the end of Halo 3 was only about 6 or so Covenant cruisers.

The reason we compare from Covenant to Empire is because it will lead us to the conclusion of which side would theoretically win. You are right that actual game play doesn’t have much revelation, but a Banshee is extremely slow, a T-47 airspeeder (snowspeeder) could out fly a Banshee. Here are some facts (look them up):

T-47 airspeeder’s speed: 650 km/h

Banshee’s speed: 100 km/h

A Banshee is slow.

The Covenant does not have a better tactical and navigational “faculty” than the Empire. Navigationally, the Empire has better navigators because of better systems. The Covenant never mapped or navigated as mush as the Empire did. The SW galaxy is huge, and hyperspace travel is much faster than a slipspace. Imperial Navigators aboard an ISD have to be constantly at work for high-performance standards. Now tactically, the Covenant is made up of idiots who weren’t meant for military tactics (but I will give credit to the Elites). The Elites are the only ones that aren’t tactically insane. Now the Empire has many military and tactical geniuses that command Imperial fleets, but sadly due to corruption there are a few idiots in high command, but Darth Vader took care of that. Many high-ranking Imperials are military geniuses, and have battled over a thousand different worlds during the Clone Wars and the reign of the Empire. The best of all Imperial military geniuses is Grand Admiral Thrawn. If Thrawn commanded the fleet that fought the Covenant, the battle would end very quickly (more so than if not commanded by Thrawn). Thrawn wouldn’t even need half the total fleet.

The Covenant wasn’t built for war, but built for an “insane glorious redemption.”

The Empire wouldn’t stumble against an opponent of similar strength. Look at the Clone Wars, the CIS was closely matched to the Republic, and by Revenge of the Sith, they were losing the war. The Empire fought off other closely matched battles before during the Galactic Civil War, the New Republic War, and even the Imperial Civil War (during Legacy). The Empire hasn’t fallen yet, but the Covenant was extremely decimated by the end of Halo 3. If the Humans and Sangheili could beat them, what makes a much larger and stronger Empire from not being able to best them?

Oh, I’ll show you one droid… R2-D2.

R2-D2 could fly, repair, and modify many ships. Cortana could fly and can only do small repairs and modifications that her computer could let her (ship computers etc.).

R2-D2's body could be damaged a thousand times, and some Alliance techs could fix R2 up.
Cortana's holographic body will not get damaged, but if her computer drive (or data chip) were damaged she would be history.

You seem to forget that R2-D2's databanks held the entire data readouts of the Death Star (this itself is a lot), thousands of ships, many holorecordings, messages, thousands of various computers, droid memory, thousands of vehicles, data cards, chips, memory ships, and still had enough memory to fill an entire Planetary Library!

The entire Rebel Alliance owes R2-D2 their LIVES!!! R2-D2 saved Padme` many times; Luke over 100 times; Han many times; Anakin many times; Obi-Wan many times; the entire worlds of Naboo, Tamuzan, and Mon Calamari owe their lives to this droid; millions owe R2 their lives after the Almanian crisis (which R2 stopped a signal from being sent to blow thousands of Thermal Detonators secretly installed in droids owned by millions and millions of people across the SW galaxy)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Every second this droid is working it seems to constantly save more and more!

Cortana has only been on a few ships, modified a few, I don't think she's ever fixed a ship in her time! She has saved less than 1 thousand humans. R2 has saved Millions upon Millions of lives (some R2 has saved more than once).

R2-D2 can fly, swim, and roll across the land. Cortana can't do that.

R2-D2 can mess with a computer, paint a ship, fix a ship, modify a ship, salvage a ship, send holo images, record visual activity, scan for (life forms, energy readings, thermal readings, signals...), serve food and drinks, fuel a ship, fix droids, start up a "dead" ship or droid, load cargo, activate vehicles, probe consoles, monitor things, guard things, grab things, for that matter, and R2-D2 could do so many things that I would write a novel by the end of it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Artoo has thousands of different functions. Cortana doesn't.

Artoo has many arms, devices, gizmos, gadgets, gear, and stuff that would surprise you if you didn't know about it.

Artoo has the logic of a very, very clever human. Cortana just has human logic.\

R2-D2 has master, but he could do whatever he wanted (as seen in A New Hope). R2-D2 is LOYAL. This is the reason he obeys most of the commands given to this droid.

Most Astromech droids get their memories wiped over time, but R2 escaped this. R2 stores data dating back from the old Republic.

Cortana and R2-D2 can't take over any computer system given to them. Cortana doesn't have the power capabilities to filter the standard computer of the SW galaxy (the Forerunner has human based tech; this is the reason Cortana was able to get inside Forerunner and Covenant computers. Cortana doesn't have a computer interface arm (R2 does). So Cortana wouldn't be able to even read a simple SW data card. R2-D2 could read UNSC memory by insertion to the linkage data slot. R2-D2 also has Data Cable (located at the base of the head) capable of adapting to different computers and consoles. So, R2-D2 would be able to take over any computer system that his cable could adapt to.

R2 understands many languages (not as much as C3-PO), but can only communicate in beeps and whistles (that is why R2 hangs around the protocol droid).

Cortana is subject to corruption (as seen in game), while R2-D2 has back-up systems to counter corruption.

… R2 could even breakdance (as seen in SW: Droids)

Well, if you did your research you would have found an estimated fleet strength of less that 5000, and less than 50 occupied worlds. Of course, the Elites species is called Sangheili (you actually spelled it wrong btw). Your fleet estimates are off. Imperial Admiral Xytzn ‘Jar Wattinree commanded the Covenant fleet of 200 ships (not 50 fleets). At the end of Halo 3, the fleet was considerably less than that. The unknown fleet defending the elites home planet was defended by an unknown number of ships but that number couldn’t have been very large, because the war with the Covenant took it’s toll on the fleet. The Elites didn’t defeat the Covenant “single-handedly.” The Humans and Elites beat the Covenant. Your fleet numbers and ship estimations are incorrect (Wherever you’re getting that information from it definitely isn’t an official Halo site).

Those numbers were inaccurate (I checked). That’s right it does depend (mainly the Covenant) if both sides were at their peaks, but I think most everyone here is referring to the “Palpatine era” (or Empire era). But, the battle is still one-sided. Ship ratio is 1 to 200, and troop ratio would be even larger if I figured it out. The Covenant is extremely outnumbered.

Seraph fighters do have shields, but TIEs have better laser cannons that could easily penetrate those shields. TIEs are faster than Seraphs, and TIE pilots are the best pilots in the universe (look at Fel). TIE pilots either became the best or were easily destroyed by lack of shields. There were a few designs that used shields, but most of them were created after the Battle of Endor. Most TIE pilots seen in the movies were new and inexperienced. But, other squadrons like the 501st pilots and different squadrons that weren’t shown in the films were some of the best in the galaxy. TIE pilots had to adapt to the lack of shields somehow so after surviving pilots became almost undefeatable. TIEs have better weapons and are faster than Seraphs, but with lack of shields. I believe that on the scale level they are pretty even. But there were thousands of TIEs that were created and produced; and not so much Seraphs. You are right that the Imperials aren’t suicidal, but wrong that they fear death. They use fear to their own advantage (like Spartan-IIs). Would you say Spartans fear death? No, Imperial pilots are loyal to the Empire and would fight in the face of overwhelming odds, probably to the death; but they, are NOT suicidal. In the end, the overwhelming odds of faster TIEs would defeat the Seraphs.

There were around 66 Imperial ships (mostly ISDs) at the Battle of Endor and about 48 Rebel ships (most of them being smaller cruisers). I think you confused ships with fighters (around 2000 to 500). That makes a huge difference. The Emperor himself ordered his 50 Star Destroyers not to engage the Rebels because it was a trap. The Emperor wanted to create a “net” of ISDs so that the rebels would be doomed. That is why the Imperials sent out their fighters instead of eliminating the fleet.

It all depends on which era it is if their was a Sun Crusher or Eclipse. But if it’s “Palpatine’s era”, the Empire doesn’t need them when the battle is 5000 vs. 1000000x, and the Empire outnumbers the Covenant 1: 200. The Covenant and Empire are not even. Is 1: 200 an even match? No, the Empire is massive. This is no even battle, but a one-sided battle.

I was making clear arguments. I was being sarcastic. If you guys can’t decipher a joke from a statement, then… man, you guys need to loosen up or get a life. In the last paragraph, I gave you guys the real odds (no sarcasm).

There were plans for Dark troopers in the Emperor’s storehouse. If the Empire really wanted to, new Dark troopers could have been put into production. (When Thrawn found the Emperor’s storehouse he found a lot of secret blueprints, data, devices, weapons, and stuff that the Emperor hid to keep safe.)

TIE Maulers could run over troops, and they are very fast so dodging and outrunning the enemy wouldn’t be a problem for the Maulers, but I doubt the Empire would even use them during a conflict with the Covenant. Support squadrons of TIE Interceptors would make short work of any slow-moving Banshees and Ghosts, thus protecting the AT-ST walkers. AT-AT cannon fire would be more than enough to destroy a Scarab, but a Scarab’s main cannon is enough to penetrate an AT-AT. They are different but it is pretty much an even match between them. Though the Empire has a lot more Imperial Walkers than the Covenant has Scarabs, so in the end the AT-AT walkers would be left standing.

TIEs cannons are stronger than Seraph shields, and the TIEs are faster than Seraphs in dogfights the mass amount of faster TIEs would overwhelm and outmaneuver the Seraphs.
The same way Earth was protected from the Halo activation, the Imperials would be protected from a Halo activation (plus others could escape an activation by a hyperspace jump).

The Imperial fleet would have no problem destroying or even salvaging the Halo installations.

Elites are probably the best that the covenant has to offer, but that wouldn’t be a factor for Imperial troops that have fought bigger (and worse) species before (during the post-Clone Wars/Empire era).

Wait one second! Hold up here, what do you mean “evolved.” The humans from the SW galaxy might have micro-evolved but they didn’t just evolve (you really have to specify that). No evolution took place between the humans in the SW galaxy, except microevolution (There is a major difference between microevolution and macroevolution).

A Snowspeeder is not an equivalent of a Banshee. It is greater than a Banshee. “T-47 airspeeder’s speed: 650 km/h; Banshee’s speed: 100 km/h”

Suicidal Covenant troops wouldn’t be an advantage to the Covenant, but rather to the Empire. “One less ‘bugger’ to deal with” –Imperial soldier



Yes, it does depend on the time period. AT-AT walker’s armor could withstand magma. Covenant ships would no match for a superior ISD. The many other ships like cruisers and dreadnaughts would also add to the Imperial fleet (not just ISDs). Clone Commandos are warriors superior to Spartans.