Human Synth Droids (such as Guri) are illegal in the Republic/Empire. This is due to previous attempts to assasinate people and replace them with Synth-Droids. They do still exist, but are relatively rare. I can think of just a few examples off hand, but can't recall the names except for Guri (Shadows of the Empire.)

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I am pretty sure Lando's assistant in the floating city (they guy with the metal thing around his head) is another example.

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I am pretty sure Lando's assistant in the floating city (they guy with the metal thing around his head) is another example.

No, Lobot is a Cyborg.

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Sorry, my mistake.

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You know, I've occasionally said that this pair of lines was a good example of exactly how sarcastic Obi-Wan could be:

Sand people shoot hand-maintained sniper rifles, and have to be crack shots. Doubly-so in a desert wasteland. "Shoot what little prey shows up or starve." And sand people look reasonably well fed, if little else.

Then again, the Empire's doctrine at the time was "bigger, cheaper, faster". Stormtrooper gear was definitely of the "cheaper, faster" variety. And every piece of Imperial hardware at the time that tried for all three had a massive, exploitable flaw.

Stormtrooper armor that restricts vision and mobility, but offers little-to-no effective protection from either blaster fire or blunt force (Ewoks). Plus, hand weapons that appear to have less accuracy than early smooth-bore muskets.

The Death Stars with accessible reactors and open-to-space heating ducts rather than active coolant-exchange and surface radiators, which any PC hardware enthusiast will tell you is no more vulnerable to proton torpedo attacks from snub fighters than the rest of the case, no matter how big or small.)

The Star Destroyers (Victory, Imperial and Super classes) with their bridge shield emitters underneath the communication towers. Destroy one, you compromise the other, rendering the ships immediately vulnerable to "decapitation". Plus, the apparent lack of a secondary control site and emergency chain of command in case the bridge facilities suffer a massive enough casulty, is quite the oversight.

Lack of shields on imperial fighter craft considered "disposable" means for a highly Darwinian training regimen (and considerable turnaround) among pilots in the imperial navy, and the corresponding morale problems.

AT-AT transports and AT-ST scouts that are vulnerable to catastrophic tripping... etc.

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One thing to remember is that the Imperal Stormtroopers are all preconditioned from birth to be loyal to the Empire. I think other Imperial subjects can become officers (such as Han Solo). As such, I don't think the Stormtroopers suffer morale failures. That, and they are all clones. In the Star Wars Weapons & Tech book I had a few years ago, it discussed the Stormtrooper armor. It's supposed to be highly resistant to kinetic energy from projectile weapons, such as a modern gun. So once the that type of armor came out, propellant-based projectile weapons became useless. Blasters, though, can still punch through it like a hot knife through butter. The Star Wars blasters are more lethal than the Covenant plasma weapons (from what I've seen) since one blaster shot can kill an armored trooper, whereas a relatively unarmored human can withstand several shots from a Covenant plasma rifle.

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Also the Storm Trooper armor seems to house and NBC protection system that lets them operate in hostile environments, while the Covenant soldiers don't have any such protections. A good nerve-gassing could end any ground battle really quickly, killing all the Covenant but leaving the Storm Troopers completely unaffected. Also, if the Storm Trooper armor is sealed well enough it might also be able to keep out the flood, at least for a while. Note that the flood couldn't directly infect Master Chief, it had to do damage to his armor first.

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That's a good point. I was really surprised at the inclusion of the Flood. It seems that a really advanced civ couldn't just wipe it out and not have to wipe the galaxy out of inhabitants. But I guess that's why it was a plot force, and not just a little tidbit. Engineering a virus that would only affect Flood-contaminated organisms should be a trifle to those who constructed Halo in the first place...

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Don't confuse precision and accuracy. I'm not sure exactly what Obi-wan meant when he said "precise" but saying that sand people are crack shots implies "accuracy".

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I think that it would be a close fight, but the covenant would eventually win. Assuming that other factions wouldn’t join the fight.

I’m currently running a Starwars RPG game in which, you guessed it, the Covenant attack. I had to modify the Covenant to the D20 system, and I wanted them to be as true to the games and books as I could get.

So first things first, Covenant troops.
If you’ve read the books, during the early days of the conflict between the UNSC and the Covenant, the Covenant rarely fielded elites and hunters. My evidence is that in the first book, during the events leading up to the first game, hunters were just introduced (at the cost of a Spartan’s arm) and Elites were only speculated to be field commanders. This is why the Covenant lost ground engagements with the UNSC. (Grunts and jackles are no match for a Spartan).

In ground engagements with the Empire (post halo games) the Covenant would win, because an Elite with cover could pop out, take a Storm trooper down with plasma then pop back, let shields re-charge, repeat. As for weapons, granted a Stormtroopers blaster rifle is powerful, it would take to much time to put an Elites shields down. As for the plasma weapons, they’re a little more devastating than what we see in the game. After all they do shoot a ball of superheated gas roughly 6000 degrees Celsius. I think that would leave a good sized scorch mark on the back plate of a stormtroopers armor... from the front...

Now for Ship to Ship actions.
The Covenant would win unless out numbered or out maneuvered. This is because Covenant shields are designed against energy weapons, and energy weapons are a BIG part of any starwars fleet. Also an average Covenant fleet usually operates with about 500 ships, that would be too much for any Imperial fleet to handle. Also Plasma torpedoes are extremely violent and devastating weapons, three shots could put a Stardestroyers shields down and another two would gut it. Now I’m not saying that the Empire doesn’t stand a chance, they just have to pick there battles and hope that they don’t run out of planets...

A note on fighters.
I’m quite certain that just one Seriph fighter is more than a match for a few Tie’s.

The thing is that in the game you see the normal human troops get nailed by the blaster rifle and still live. Albeit they get scorched pretty well, but they can still fight.

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The question here is how to quantify their ability to defend against attacks. Star Destroyers demonstrate firepower greater than Earth's nuclear arsenal with it's point defense weapons (Source: Empire Strikes Back, Star Destroyers knocking out asteroids with it's turbo lasers).

Just saying that they have designed defenses against a weapon system does not make them immune to it. We develop armor today and now to protect against projectile weapons, but those weapons are still a threat. Imperial ships are likewise defended against all manner of attacks, but are still vulnerable to them.

Still, I don't know enough about Halo to predict an outcome. Played the first one through once, and that was about my exposure to it.

First of all, I would like to say that I've read all the books and comics, and I've played the games from both sides (so don't go thinking I don't know what I am talking about). If it was the Star Wars galaxy vs. the Milky Way (halo), Star Wars would win. If anybody would like to challenge me just say so, but right now I'm going to clear a few things up.

In response to comment #2, Stormtrooper armor is vacuum sealed. The flood would not be able to penetrate the armor; because, the armor is made of an alloy the blocks projectiles, and it would also block the flood [the armor I'm referring to is Mark III (see Star Wars: Tales from the Empire)].

In response to comment #3, It is not entirely true that the Empire relied on masses. Although some (like Tarkin...) did, others (like Grand Admiral Thrawn, Roan Fel, Lt. Sunber...) didn't. You'll have to explain how they "wipe out the population and just move on"; because, it isn't entirely right. There are a few elements a lightsaber can't penetrate. So in a plasma sword vs. a lightsaber, the lightsaber would win. The Death Star isn't lame. It's just the people commanding it in Episode IV weren't in their right minds (obsessed with destroying rebels) so they didn't activate certain shields (because they thought the Death Star was invincible, and they didn't realize X-wings could blow it up!). You said, "does the Covenant have access to the Halo network?", yes they do. If they activate it in time and get to Onyx, but they would only destroy themselves (the Empire would just jump into hyperspace).

In response to comment #4, You are right "their troops are not as cunning or as smart as humans", but a Covenant battleship would have to direct all their power to the plasma cannons (including from the shields) to glass a planet (unlike an Imperial Star Destroyer). Slipspace is not as fast as hyperspace. The Milky Way is tiny compared to the huge Star Wars galaxy. Thus, they didn't have to invent anything faster than slipspace; because, they never had to. You said, "the UNSC could easily kick the butts of the Empire", actually it would be the other way around. The UNSC use PROJECTILE weapons that is what the Stormtrooper armor was made for. And, UNSC ships are actually quite primitive and tiny compared to a Victory-class Star Destroyer Mark II. UNSC ships have NO shielding. UNSC AI has no encryption codes that means an Imperial Slicer would be able to hack and control the whole UNSC ship. A Spartan is the Star Wars equivalent of a Storm Commando. The Storm Commandos are 10 times more equipped than a Spartan.

In response to comment #7, They have no shielding at all.

In response to comment #8, A UNSC ship's main cannon would be easily "deflected" by the Deflector Shields. Their ammo based weapons would be defended by the Particle Shields. UNSC did use shielding for Spatans, but it is very poor shielding.

In response to comment #9, Amen.

In response to comment #10, Actually the Ewoks were losing the battle until Chewbacca stole an AT-ST which really turned the tide of the battle. The Ewoks did score a few AT-ST kills,but the Ewoks were getting owned.

In response to comment #11, Actually they are both outmatched by the Empire. How do you think they maintained MILLIONS of worlds.

In rseponse to comment #14, Dude, one squad of Imperial Commandos and lead by one Imperial Knight wouldn't even leave the Dorsi or Pak a chance.

In response to comment #15, True EMP's would be more than a match for the Covenant. Right about the hyperspace thing. Interdictor Cruisers would keep the Covenant from leaving. Yes, in groun battles, the Empire owns all (AT-ATs would wipe them all out). I do believe a picture of the Emperor would make the prophets wet in their hover chairs.

In response to comment #16, Most Stormtroopers are cloned, and can control their own minds better than most humans. Thus, you wouldn't be able to "convert" them.

In response to comment #17, HELLO! The Death Star was made for fighting against Capital-class Ships! It's the small ships (like X-wings) that can fly do some damage to the Death Star. The Death Star would come out of a space battle untouched. "... and glass Coruscant", the Covenant wouldn't be able to reach the Star Wars galaxy by slow slipspace before they all died of old age. Fuel Rod guns can be easily evaded by a Jedi or Sith. And a fuel Rod gun would barely penetrate Stormtrooper armor.

In response to comment #19, Amen, but the Empire has bigger "freakin" ships (like the Supr Star Destroyer). True the Empire is superior in groun battles with Stormtroopers, Dark troopers, and vehicles. Same with star fighters, TIEs would fly loops around the Covenant fighters. The Empire has plasma-penetrative weapons. The Covenant doesn't. They do have plasme, just not concentrated enough to penetrate armor like a blaster from Star Wars.

In response to comment #20, The Empire are not the Forerunners. Imperial fleets would beat the Covenant ones. You said, "... Master Chief could take on a buch of Stromtroopers and win", with what non-concentrated plasma weapons and projectile weapons. Dude, Stormtroopers would stand there while Spartan 117 shot at them. The Stormtroopers would aim and shoot a volley at Master Chief. Master Chief would be on the ground with scorching holes in in his armor and flesh, and the Stormtroopers would be standing still with barely any scratches on thier armor.

In response to comment #21, True.

In response to comment #22, It is Pillar of Autumn.

In response to comment #24, The Covenant Capital Ship's pulse laser would be deflected by Star Wars shields, and the Covenant do not have EMP Shielding. Interdictor Cruisers are not useless; because, it has Huge Gravity-Well Projectors (the Covenant wouldn't be able to escape by using slipspace). The tractor beams would hold the Covenant down. AT-ATs tower above Scarabs. The AT-ATs armor is too strong fot a Scarab to penetrate it unless you shot it in the neck, but you would have to be in a ship to do that. The AT-At would blow a Scarab away before it even charged it's cannon. And the Empire would't stend out AT-STs until all the aircraft were destroyed. Even if the AT-STs were on the ground at the time, the phantoms an banshees would be blown by turrets or TIEs (banshees and phantoms are the slowest fighters the Empire would have ever encountered.

In response to comment #25, You mean the Empire has Millions. And the "noob" Stormtroopers as seen on the Death Star, have only trained for a year before being deployed into a "Galactic-Civil War". Those noobs are the ones that can't shoot for beans,, but clones and "seasoned" Stormtroopers could shoot a pimple off an Ewok. Star Wars weapons do need to be realoaded, but it doesn't have specific number of shots; because, it is relaoded with plasma gas carbines that work until over-heated then you swap it with a new one.

In response to comment #26, An Airspeeder ("snowspeeder") is 10 times better than a slow Banshee. The airspeeder isn't "cammon fodder". Airspeeders were used wisely against Imperial AT-ATs. Storm IV craft are used as "cannon fodder". Actually, a Flash Speeder ("police speeder") is shielded and has a better main cannon than a Specter. Speeder Bikes, Swoops, and Land Speeders are 5-10 times better than Ghosts. Dude, your whole "shield theory" is messed-up. A Planetary Shield is one of the most powerful shields in the whole universe (though it lasts for only a couple of weeks). The Covenant wouldn't be able to "... penetrate imperial shields". You are right about the Halo network. The Covenant does have access to the Halo network, but it would only destroy themselves (the Empire would escape through hyperspace). The Empire does have better weapons than the Covenant. The Covenant use primitive un-concentrated plasma weapons, when the Empire uses the exact opposite (which is better). One Thermal Detonator could (if planted in the right place) blow up a Covenant Capital Ship. 10 plasma grenades are nothing compared to ONE thermal detonator! Plasma swords are nothing compared to lightsabers or even vibro blades. And, it is Geonosis not "Geonosia". Iperial troops would never "... willingly sacrifice themselves for on trap", but mabey a cloned trooper would (not a non-cloned trooper, though).

In response to comment #27, Actually your not quite right. The Stormtroopers on the Death Star (in Episode IV) were "noobs" who've never shot at a living enemy bofore! (as seen in Battle Front II, the 501st leave and the "new guys" come in).

In response to comment #28, There is NO MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!! It is the FORCE that controls everything in the Star Wars galaxy. And it is the "noob" Stormtrooper that couldn't hit Luke, Leia, Han, Chewbacca, C3-PO, and R2-D2. Not "magic", or even the force for that matter (though, the force was with Luke and Leia).

In response to comment #29, Yes, it is the force. But, an Astromech Droid like R2-D2 is 30 times better than AI like Cortana. Plus, there are way better droids than an Astromech Droid.

In response to comment #30, Nope, it is the FORCE!!!!!!!!!! A Protocol Droid is smarter than Cortana!

In response to comment #31, You are right on one thing, Guri (see SW: Shadows of The Empire) would be 80 times better than Cortana. But, Guri isn't a Human Synth Droid it is a HRD (Human Replica Droid). Guri does have synth-flesh (cloned tissue). Another example of a HRD, is the one the New Republic used to replace Princess Leia ( as seen in Star Wars: Queen of the Empire). HRD droids are illegal; because the Empire didn't like the idea of other groups having assassin human-like Droids (like Guri and "Leia").

In response to comment #32, Lobot is a human with a cyborg brain (Biotech Aj^6 cyborg head band). And, it is Cloud City on Bespin.

In response to comment #35, Nice quote, but wrong theory. The Empire bought or stole everything that was high-tech. Stormtrooper armor doesn't have any "exploitable flaws". It does what it was made for against PROJECTILE weapons. If you have been wearing the armor all your life (like the clones) it doesn't restrict vision or mobility. Stormtrooper armor Mark III gives protection from blasters, but even Mark I gives protectio against Ewok spears. E-11 Blaster Rifles are some of the most accurate blasters (though the rapid fire isn't accurate). An E-11 could shoot strong bursts of shots at target miles away and hit it on the mark. The Death Star is vulnerable to attacks made by small ships (like X-wings), but other versions of the Death Star (like the Second) were going to change that [too bad it was destroyed before it was completed (although a galaxy would be ruled by IG-88)]. Did you forget that the Imperials have Particle Shields. They just didn't turn them on in time (like what happened to the Executor). There goes your "shield theory". "Lack of shields on imperial fighter craft..." true, but that is what the TIE Defender was made for (it has shielding). AT-ATs and AT-STs were never again to be deployed on Forrest Planets after the Battle of Endor (so they wouldn't trip on logs any more).

In response to comment #36, You are correct. Most Stormtroopers are clones (not all from Jango), but there were many non-clone troopers (like the "noob" troopers) and mainly officers. You're on the right track on the weapon theory, but blasters from Star Wars are weapons with concentrated plasma, and the Covenant just use uncharged plasma that overheats quickly. The Stormtrooper armor would hold dozens or even hundreds of Covenant plasma shots.

In response to comment #37, The Stormtrooper would come out completely unharmed. And, the flood wouldn't be able to penetrate Stormtrooper armor. The flood's pathetic forms wouldn't leave a scratch on the armor.

In response to comment #38, True. Very true.

In response to comment #39, Obi-Wan meant that Stormtroopers know exactly where and how to cripple something. The Sand People don't.

In response to comment #40, I've read the books and comics from both sides. You said "In ground engagements with the Empire the Covenant would win". Hmmmmm... NO! The Elite would "pop out" shoot at the Stormtroopers and the Stormtroopers would turn around (while being unaffected by the blasts) and shoot 4 blasts at the enemy! 2 for the shields and 2 to kill it. Star Wars blasters use plasma, but it is in a thin bolt that penetrates armor (unlike the Covenant tech) that sends a concentrated blast. The armor would deflect Covenant plasma like a "glancing bolt" in Star Wars. In the end, the Covenant plasma wouldn't "leave a good sized scorch mark" on the Stormtrooper armor. In ship battles, the Empire would win as well, the Imperial's shields would deflect plasma torpedoes like a turbolaser bolt. The Empire has Proton Torpedoe Launchers(as seen in Star Wars: Revenge of The Sith), that would pass right through Covenant shields. And, the Empire has millions of bigger and better equipped ships than the Covenant does. The thousands of Star Destroyers would be more than a match for the Covenant fleet. And, TIEs are 30 times faster and equipped than Seraph (not "seriph") fighters.

In response to comment #42, Imperials have shielding against almost every kind of attack. As you said after awhile they become vulnerable to them, but the Imperial would defeat the Covenant by then. The Star Destroyer's turbolaser is 30 times more powerful than the Covenant Capital Ship's weapons.

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In response to Grand Admiral Butt Nugget's essay its called an energy sword and when wielded by a senior elite can slaugter enemy forces plus u left brutes out of the picture a brute could kick a stormtrooper's *** the only stormtroopers that would be any good against covenant would be the 501st. normal stormtroopers are extremely vuneralble against paintball guns covenant elites are extremely strong even the lowest ranking elite could wipe out a group of stormtroopers they also have active camo which would let them sneak up behind a group of stomies and slaughter them the stormies from the movies are so weak that a single shot from han solo's blaster can kill them the stormies from the movies are so pathetic that my dog could kill them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HALO IS THE FRIGGEN' BEST

I know the empire would lose because my brother is a star wars freak and even he says the empire would lose. I think that half the people on here are noobs I can tell most of them have never played Halo on Legendary

jackals on legendary can fire about 15 shots in two seconds the first shot
would kill em and the rest domalish the body and thats right i'm his little
brother so i should friggin know i've played through it on legendary with the wumpus

By the way num nuts who is roan fel??? it sounds like the color of a dogs fur
yes the plasma would leave a good sized scorch mark stormies dont even use plasma they use lasers. and if a stormtroopers mark III armor is so good then what is Master Chief's mark VI armor like ????? HUH?? oh thats right its better isnt it and you it!!!!! plus he looks way cooler and his armor makes him strong enough to flip over a scorpian tank!!!!!!!!!!!