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Old 26-December-2004, 01:22 PM
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Science fiction. Walter Pidgeorn, Anne Francis, Leslie Nielsen. (1956) An astronaut and crew land on Altair-4 in 2200 and find a mad doctor, his daughter and Robby the robot.
It's playing on TCM right now. I saw where skwirlinator said there may be a remake. I find the old version very humorous, thus far. 8-[
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Little warning about the tiger killing would've been nice!
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Did Robby just die?

I have never seen this movie before.
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Did Robby just die?
Absolutely not. Did they leave out a scene? At the end, we see Robbie as the new pilot of the C57D saying "Aye Aye Skipper!"
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I missed the ending. I was working on my year end review for work. #-o

Thank you. Robby is still alive!
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I think Forbidden Planet is great classic SciFi! Candy, how did you miss this one? It's sort of The Tempest a la science fiction! Anyway, I hope you enjoyed it!
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Robby is still alive!
And, he went on to have a great career in the movies and television.
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I missed the ending. I was working on my year end review for work. #-o

Thank you. Robby is still alive!
Was he ever "alive" to begin with? :wink:
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Was he ever "alive" to begin with? :wink:
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1 : having life : not dead or inanimate
2 : still in existence, force, or operation : ACTIVE <kept hope alive>
3 : knowing or realizing the existence of : SENSITIVE <alive to the danger>
4 : marked by alertness, energy, or briskness
5 : marked by much life, animation, or activity : SWARMING <streets alive with traffic>
6 -- used as an intensive following the noun <the proudest boy alive>
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there may be a remake. I find the old version very humorous, thus far.
Of all the movies to remake, why FP? The original is brilliant SF: they put forth a what if and explore the results. What if someone built a machine that could materialize whatever you could think up? The sum of all your fears would destroy you.

I just keep thinking how the director of the new Rollerball said, "We took out all that sci-fi sociology stuff" referring to the themes of Norman Jewison's original film from 1974(?). The result was a vapid, empty film that people laugh at and put dirt in its hair.

And is any modern pretty-girl actress really going to outshine the fundamental beauty of Anne Francis? No, I don't think so.
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If you ever get the chance you should read the novelization of "Forbidden Planet", by W. J. Stuart (pen name of Philip MacDonald). It has many differences and explaines where Altaira's pets actually came from.

The movie is incomplete, the editor was pulled off the film and another was never assigned to finishh the film. So the movies is actually a rough cut. It is still my favorite sf film, and I do not want to see it remade.

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there may be a remake. I find the old version very humorous, thus far.
Of all the movies to remake, why FP? The original is brilliant SF: they put forth a what if and explore the results. What if someone built a machine that could materialize whatever you could think up? The sum of all your fears would destroy you.

I just keep thinking how the director of the new Rollerball said, "We took out all that sci-fi sociology stuff" referring to the themes of Norman Jewison's original film from 1974(?). The result was a vapid, empty film that people laugh at and put dirt in its hair.

And is any modern pretty-girl actress really going to outshine the fundamental beauty of Anne Francis? No, I don't think so.
Actually, the one thing I did enjoy in the "Rollerball" remake was the faux television segments. They reminded me of the postmodern eastern pop culture clash of Bruce Sterling's novel Zeitgeist and some of his short stories. So, I'm ashamed to admit there were a few seconds of that movie I actually appreciated. But, considering the director's comment, I'm sure it was a fluke. The original is one of my favorite movies of all time. Just the right combination of social commentary and 70s tough guy sturm und drang.

I think the original FP stands to this day as great sci-fi because it seriously addressed big ideas, and showed you big eye candy, the kind usually only described in literature. Plus, it's all-electronic soundtrack is amazing and the first of its kind. It was a movie ahead of its time, and also timeless. For the remake to stand up to it it needs to be the same. But how do you mandate a modern Hollywood project to be that inspired?
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... It is still my favorite sf film, and I do not want to see it remade.
Gosh, hoodathunkit, Krel? :wink:

Certainly one of my favorites, too. The story, Anne Francis, the backstory, Anne Francis, the robot, Anne Francis... Seriously, the movie has a plot and a story arc rather than a series of disjointed events used to showcase the effects. And it has an ambience rooted in the period it was made that strangely makes it timeless.

Any remake of the movie would pale compared to the original. Although it would probably have superflashy sfx and thus would be loved by the admirers of superficial splash over solid style and substance.
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If you watch the film, one thing you notice is that my today's standards very little 'happens'. It really is more of a stage play on film. What would a remake look like? Vin Diesel as Cpt. Adams?
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Anne Francis was my first (actress) crush as a kid. She was adorable, knew about science, skinnydips and she had a robot and a tiger.
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If you ever get the chance you should read the novelization of "Forbidden Planet", by W. J. Stuart (pen name of Philip MacDonald).
I remember reading it, so I know I have that book around here somewhere.

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...and I do not want to see it remade.
Perhaps we could pay them not to re-make it??

Robbie, the "ID" creature, the set design, the "sinking" foot prints, the "Star Trek like" interpersonal relationships between the Captain, his "#1" and the ship's Doctor, the story, itself!!....all of these things and many more make Forbidden Planet a "one of a kind" motion picture. Any attempt to remake it would be a mistake.


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Wasn't she everyone's?? I remember her from Honey West.
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It's pretty obvious that Star Trek (TOS) owes a lot to FP in overall concept and design.

I always liked the fact that the FP crew had a "flying saucer" spacecraft. It wasn't the aliens, it was the humans who were the little green men!

My first viewing was memorable. I'd never even heard of it, and caught it on a late movie (probably around 1968) on a black-and-white TV. I was immediately captivated by the story and stayed up wayyyy past my bedtime to watch it. I still remember my incredible feeling of awe when we get our first glimpse of the Krel machine, and again as the monster draws on its power to get through the Krel metal door. Not many movies do that for me anymore...
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I first saw it when I was nine or ten on a Saturday morning double feature at the local theatre. The attack by the Id monster (where all you see is the energy outline) scared me more than anything I have seen in a movie before or since. I didn't sleep that night.

Boy, do I love that film.
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What a movie. One nice thing about being as old as I am is having had the opportunity to see a lot of classic movies in their first theatrical releases. A big wide screen that filled your field of vision, visceral soundtracks, and splendid first-print colors.

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made an indelible impact in that environment. I'm with mike re the Id monster. When those footprints started appearing out of nowhere, and, especially when the steps on the ship's stairway started bending down under the tremendous load, it was "don't watch/watch" time. I also didn't sleep that night.

Then on the opposite side of the spectrum, there was Anne Francis, who also kept my eyes riveted to the screen. I remember wishing that I lived in that depicted future, what with those beautiful long legs attractively topped by those short skirts. But it turned out in that respect I only had to wait a decade until the 1960s.
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Did the novelization look like this?



I like the way Robby is giving us the "peace" sign. I also like the last paragraph of the novel:

...Regarded as a major tragedy by many scientists, the auto-destruction of Altair-4 was, in a way, welcomed by the Church and most thoughtful men and women.

50 years later, or 266 years earlier, things haven't changed much.

BTW, in the book it's the Krell. I admire your humility.
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...Regarded as a major tragedy by many scientists, the auto-destruction of Altair-4 was, in a way, welcomed by the Church and most thoughtful men and women.

50 years later, or 266 years earlier, things haven't changed much.
You mean how "thoughtful men and women" is a different subset than "scientists"?
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Change of track here, lets assume we can't stop this train from leaving the station. If it were to be remade, who would you want in it? Who would you want directing it? (Note for Director/Producer: I'll whap anyone upside the haid who recommends Lucas, recommending B&B's a hangin' crime. :P)

Lets assume (yeah, dirty word) that they stay true to the original with modest revamping for 21st century audiences.

Director: JMS
Andreas Katsulas .... Dr. Edward Morbius
Jennifer Garner .... Altaira Morbius
Matt Damon .... Commander John J. Adams
.... Lt. 'Doc' Ostrow
.... Lt. Jerry Farman
.... Chief Engineer Quinn

(Gotta rent this again to fill in the rest. Not many in Hollywood I can come up with who would do this justice.)
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Forbidden Planet is still one of my favorite science fiction movies. I think it has stood up well over the years. The Id monster gave me chills. There's something more frightening about a danger that you know is there, but is just beyond normal perception.

Anne Francis was certainly beautiful and played her role very well.

How can you not love Robbie the Robot? He was loyal, obedient, interactive and could make 60 gallons of bourbon on command!
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Maksutov, I have that copy, also a reprint from the 90's, and I'm looking for the hard cover reprint from the 80's.

Being the 1950's that would be the Victory 'V', not the peace sign. Although having only two fingers and a thumb Robby would be hard pressed to make any other gesture that wouldn't be considered obscene.

I wonder if the artist had actually seen the film or was just given some b&w photos to work from. If you notice the crew's uniforms are a bright red.

In the book it is Krell, good eye. The ship is C-57-D, but Polar Lights ignored that, and the design of the ship when they did the model.

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Definitely one of the best Sci-Fi movies ever made.

My favorite parts were the silent laser guns. I loved the little puut-puut sounds they made.

And the attack of the Id monster at the force field was so cool/scary.

A movie way ahead of it's time, story and special effects wise.

As for a remake, why bother? There should be laws against it. Leave the classics alone.
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I never understand why people want to try to remake great movies. They should try to do a good job with movies that never lived up to their potential instead.
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My favorite parts were the silent laser guns. I loved the little puut-puut sounds they made.
I don't know anyother sf movie or tv show that has done that. The blasters made no sound, what sound there was, was generated by the impact of the beam on the target. The sound was also different depending on what the target was composed of.

When you watch the movie, listen to the sounds, an awful lot of thought went into every aspect of the film.

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I still remember my incredible feeling of awe when we get our first glimpse of the Krel machine, and again as the monster draws on its power to get through the Krel metal door. Not many movies do that for me anymore...
I remember the amazing indestructible door. So that's why, I thought, of all the buildings and civilization that fell, this door remained to be found.
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