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Old 20-February-2005, 06:57 AM
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And personally I thought Assignment: Earth was the worst, although the hippie one was reallly bad too.

My favorite quote is from when Nomad scanned Uhura's mind. I don't remember it exactly, but it was something to the effect that her thoughts were incoherent or irrational or something like that. I bet you couldn't get away with that today.
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I've always liked The Galileo Seven. It was interesting to see Spock struggle with his first command. He comes to realize that his strictly logical approach not only antagonizes his crew but completely fails to anticipate the reaction of the pseudo-Neandertals on the planet. His "act of desperation" that ultimately saves them is a turning point in the development of Spock's character.

My least favorite has to be The Way To Eden (AKA the hippie episode). The only redeeming part of that entire episode was seeing Spock play his lyre-like instrument.
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And personally I thought Assignment: Earth was the worst, although the hippie one was reallly bad too.
I liked Assignment Earth. What was wrong with it?

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Worst plot in my opinion:

In one episode, a former girl friend of Kirk's who washed out of Starfleet Academy uses an alien device to switch minds with him so she can command The Enterprise. How long could she expect that to work? When they're questioning her to determine her true identity they ask questions about Kirk's former missions which are a matter of public record. If anyone had thought to ask "What did you have for breakfast this morning?" or "With whom did you play chess last night?" it would have easily settled the matter.
I agree. That and the space hippies were the two worst episodes by far (I didn't think Spock's Brain was all that bad, at least not compared to those too).
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And personally I thought Assignment: Earth was the worst, although the hippie one was reallly bad too.
I liked Assignment Earth. What was wrong with it?
For starters, the casual way they traveled back in time. If it was so easy then, why was it such a big deal in Star Trek IV? Time travel episodes, in general, I just don't like. I'm not a big fan of the Joan Collins one either, but it was at least done really well.

And then the whole premise of the show was to launch a spin-off, but it never made it. Then again, I can probably count on one hand the number of successful spinoffs.

Maybe its because Star Wars came out when I was six, I expect my science fiction to occur in space with spaceships and lasers and special effects. Whenever a sci-fi series has to resort to time-travel back to the present time, or all the aliens look just like normal people, it just seems to me that the studio is trying to save money on sets and costumes.
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And personally I thought Assignment: Earth was the worst, although the hippie one was reallly bad too.
I liked Assignment Earth. What was wrong with it?
For starters, the casual way they traveled back in time. If it was so easy then, why was it such a big deal in Star Trek IV? Time travel episodes, in general, I just don't like. I'm not a big fan of the Joan Collins one either, but it was at least done really well.

And then the whole premise of the show was to launch a spin-off, but it never made it. Then again, I can probably count on one hand the number of successful spinoffs.

Maybe its because Star Wars came out when I was six, I expect my science fiction to occur in space with spaceships and lasers and special effects. Whenever a sci-fi series has to resort to time-travel back to the present time, or all the aliens look just like normal people, it just seems to me that the studio is trying to save money on sets and costumes.
Well... it was. Remember, Star Wars didn't come out until about 10 years after Star Trek was over, and Star Trek was pretty advanced for its time.
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I kinda liked that episode. "Using the lightspeed breakaway factor, the Enterprise has travelled back in time..." One quick line of vintage technobabble to set up the plot.

I thought Robert Lansing as Gary Six was pretty cool. Not to mention his cat.

And it had Terry Garr in it, a major bonus.
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I kinda liked that episode. "Using the lightspeed breakaway factor, the Enterprise has travelled back in time..." One quick line of vintage technobabble to set up the plot.

I thought Robert Lansing as Gary Six was pretty cool. Not to mention his cat.

And it had Terry Garr in it, a major bonus.
The cat-cat or the girl-cat? Personally, the girl-cat was quite intriguing.
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I thought Robert Lansing as Gary Six was pretty cool. Not to mention his cat.
Ahem. Gary Seven.
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Hey that's one of my favorite episodes but I missed that. I guess it's time I pulled out the tapes again.
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And ya gotta love Kirk's last line from COTEOF..."Lets get the hell out of here", which (if I'm not mistaken) was the first time that the word "hell" had been used on broadcast television.

IIRC, "real" Star Trek (not the yuppified deriviatives) also had the first interracial kiss on television (Kirk and Uhura) - even though it was forced.

Best episode? Balance of Terror was pretty darn good.

The worst ones have already been mentioned (hippie, kiddy...)

As far as TOS movies, I still think that the first was the worst, by far, significantly worse than ST5, which at least had an original plot.

For the best, it's hard to pick between Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country. I was pleased with the latter as the original cast's final encore. It was really well-done, and had some great scenes, such as Spock's forcible interrogation of Saavik (sp?). It also featured perhaps the best in-joke of any TV/movie series: the classic "What is it with you?"
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For the best, it's hard to pick between Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country. I was pleased with the latter as the original cast's final encore. It was really well-done, and had some great scenes, such as Spock's forcible interrogation of Saavik (sp?).
Not Saavik, but Valeris.
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I liked the fight scene in The Trouble with Tribbles.
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Could I be banned for confessing I only watched TOS? I just never could watch the other shows, I don't think I ever watched even an episode on any of the other ones. For some reason those never worked for me.
Am I the only one with this affliction? ops:
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For the best, it's hard to pick between Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country. I was pleased with the latter as the original cast's final encore. It was really well-done, and had some great scenes, such as Spock's forcible interrogation of Saavik (sp?). It also featured perhaps the best in-joke of any TV/movie series: the classic "What is it with you?"

Glad they picked VI as the swansong. It was the best one in terms of the writing and timing between the cast since Star Trek II. I wasn't overly impressed by Kim Cattrail, but you can forgive a little bad acting with that much good material. I was surprised Christian Slater popped his head in for a cameo.

Some of the gems:
Kirk: You couldn't have waited just a couple more minutes! He was about to explain the whole thing to us!
Checkov: You want to go back?
McCoy: ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Spock: Jim, Vulcans have a saying, "Only Nixon could go to China".

In spite of all the pseudo-Shakespeare, Chris Plummer made a decent villain and the plot was fairly interesting.
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For some reason those never worked for me.
To paraphrase a perennial parental proverb: How do you know, if you've never watched one? :-k
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To paraphrase a perennial parental proverb: How do you know, if you've never watched one? :-k[/quote]

I never watched a whole episode, just watched parts of TNG and others, that might amout to half a one but never an entire one. And still no interest in them.
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Could I be banned for confessing I only watched TOS? I just never could watch the other shows, I don't think I ever watched even an episode on any of the other ones. For some reason those never worked for me.
Am I the only one with this affliction? ops:
No. I feel that way too. Although I have seen a very few of the episodes from other series (maybe 15 in total).
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My fav is in "The Naked Time" when Kirk gets infected by the "booze" virus and lets his shields down: 8)

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She won't permit me my life. I've got to live hers.
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The Captain's not permitted.
Now I know why it's called "she."
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Also from The City on the Edge of Forever - incredibly cool dialog:

Kirk: "Are you machine or being?"

Guardian: "I am both, and neither. I am my own beginning; my own ending."

Spock: "I see no reason for your answers to be couched in riddles."

Guardian: "I answer as simply as your level of understanding makes possible."

Spock: "A time portal, Captain. A gateway to other times, and dimensions, if I'm correct."

Guardian: "As correct as possible, for you. Your science knowledge is obviously primitive."

Then later it turns into a poignant episode set in the 1930s. I thought it was one of the best, and that Guardian, (the doughnut in the Greek ruins) - what totally cool alien arrogance.

(Also – Edith Keeler, a perfect name for a social humanitarian of the 1930s.)
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I never watched a whole episode, just watched parts of TNG and others, that might amout to half a one but never an entire one. And still no interest in them.
(Only a small handful of TNG episodes are first rate.)

The original series also had top-notch symphonic music.
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Look around at Kirk's fellow captains and you understand why Spock was willing to do almost anything to stay out of the big chair. Garth. Merik. Tracey. All the guys playing war games against M5. Decker (though he had an excuse). And Kirk himself lost it a few times. Often, the only thing that kept the demands of command of the Enterprise from destroying him was...the demands of command of the Enterprise.
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I kinda liked that episode. "Using the lightspeed breakaway factor, the Enterprise has travelled back in time..." One quick line of vintage technobabble to set up the plot.

I thought Robert Lansing as Gary Six was pretty cool. Not to mention his cat.

And it had Terry Garr in it, a major bonus.
The cat-cat or the girl-cat? Personally, the girl-cat was quite intriguing.
Teri Garr was the ditzy secretary - one of her first credited acting roles.
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On a side note...I do happen to own all of the "Emma Episodes" of the Avengers...so that says something.
Me too. Let's start a best/worst thread for THE AVENGERS ! The Diana Rigg years.
Heh. I have the Tara King/Linda Thorson episodes on DVD as well, for completeness, but there's no argument that Emma was far superior. On the other hand, for Star Trek, I only have one movie and a couple of original series episodes. Star Trek was on in reruns for so many years that I know them better than I want to, but when I first got the DVD bug, I hadn't seen Avengers in decades, and found I still liked them.
Emma Peel....oh the outfits she would wear!

I remember watching it when it originally came out - oh so many years ago.

Emma Peel

Ok...boyhood fantasties.
I was young enough that while Ms Peel was ...interesting... to watch, I really wanted to see John Steed's big green (?) Bentley...such are the travails of the motorhead, gasoline is more potent than testosterone...
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On a side note...I do happen to own all of the "Emma Episodes" of the Avengers...so that says something.
Me too. Let's start a best/worst thread for THE AVENGERS ! The Diana Rigg years.
Heh. I have the Tara King/Linda Thorson episodes on DVD as well, for completeness, but there's no argument that Emma was far superior. On the other hand, for Star Trek, I only have one movie and a couple of original series episodes. Star Trek was on in reruns for so many years that I know them better than I want to, but when I first got the DVD bug, I hadn't seen Avengers in decades, and found I still liked them.
Emma Peel....oh the outfits she would wear!

I remember watching it when it originally came out - oh so many years ago.

Emma Peel

Ok...boyhood fantasties.
I was young enough that while Ms Peel was ...interesting... to watch, I really wanted to see John Steed's big green (?) Bentley...such are the travails of the motorhead, gasoline is more potent than testosterone...
You got over that, right, Charlie? Your priorities are now in order, right?

BTW, the Peel link returns a "forbidden" and "404". Shoot!
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Me too. Let's start a best/worst thread for THE AVENGERS ! The Diana Rigg years.
Heh. I have the Tara King/Linda Thorson episodes on DVD as well, for completeness, but there's no argument that Emma was far superior. On the other hand, for Star Trek, I only have one movie and a couple of original series episodes. Star Trek was on in reruns for so many years that I know them better than I want to, but when I first got the DVD bug, I hadn't seen Avengers in decades, and found I still liked them.
Emma Peel....oh the outfits she would wear!

I remember watching it when it originally came out - oh so many years ago.

Emma Peel

Ok...boyhood fantasties.
I was young enough that while Ms Peel was ...interesting... to watch, I really wanted to see John Steed's big green (?) Bentley...such are the travails of the motorhead, gasoline is more potent than testosterone...
You got over that, right, Charlie? Your priorities are now in order, right?

BTW, the Peel link returns a "forbidden" and "404". Shoot!
Oh well...

Guess I'll have to find another Emma Peel image.

As for the cat, I'm referring to Isis

Barbara Babcock was the voice of Isis but who played Isis in human form?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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"The Devil In The Dark" for an honestly nonhumanoid alien in a very unearthlike planet.
Some reason the line "No Kill I" has always stuck with me. Sadly enough I still remember the creature's name was Horta, despite it being years and years since I've seen that episode. Now if only I could remember people's names like that...

On a somewhat related topic, I would highly recommend Free Enterprise to anyone that's interested enough to read this topic. Very good movie about 2 guys that are way too obsessed with classic Sci Fi. William Shatner plays himself in a pretty good semi-self-deprecating role.
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Guess I'll have to find another Emma Peel image.
I've sending you a PM on this...

...now back on topic...

One episode I've always had a problem with was The Enterprise Incident. We have the "evil" Romulans, who lie and steal...and the "good" Federation, who lie and steal. The whole idea that "we" can imploy the "bad guy's tactics"...and it's OK cause we're the "good guy's" leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Other than that, I liked the episode...especially Kirk with the "Spock ears".

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Barbara Babcock was the voice of Isis but who played Isis in human form?

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Good question. Since it wasn't a speaking part, she didn't get an onscreen credit.
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One episode I've always had a problem with was The Enterprise Incident. We have the "evil" Romulans, who lie and steal...and the "good" Federation, who lie and steal. The whole idea that "we" can imploy the "bad guy's tactics"...and it's OK cause we're the "good guy's" leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
To use Romulan tactics, the Enterprise would have had to cross into Romulan space, destroyed four or five manned outposts without warning, then returned to Federation space to report on the Romulan weakness and start the next glorious war, just as the Romulans tried to do in Balance of Terror just two years earlier.
Contrast that with The Enterprise Incident, in which no Romulans are killed and the goal is the negation of a Romulan advantage, not war, and you see that the Federation tactics are in fact different.
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