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Old 21-June-2005, 10:04 PM
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Ancient ideas become ancient stories.
Ancient stories become ancient myths.
Ancient Myths become Ancient Religions.

Is it only a matter of time before someone comes up with the idea that R2D2 and CP30 found a way to preserve themselves into little transceiver boxes for eternity and send out a transmission throughout the cosmos for only a unique set of creatures to be able to somehow mental receive?

And, although the story has been distorted since George Lucas is not really a scientist (as the BABB has shown) and some small parts of the story may not be accurate, the story is basically "True" (so says someone in the future).

The details of all this is murky but you can see my basic idea.

As a lark, some people in the UK wrote down "Jedi" as their official religion during a census. Maybe one day that would not be such a joke. Stranger things have happened. Look at the Raelians, for instance (unless, of course you ARE a Raelian and, in that case, never mind).

Now I know it is not good to discuss religion but I am not.

I am discussing if Star Wars might become a religion.

Or maybe it really IS real.
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Er, no, Star Wars is fiction.

And this really isn't an appropriate discussion topic. Religion is verboten.
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Er, no, Star Wars is fiction.
Prove it.

Let's say I am playing the sith's advocate. Prove it is fiction. What if the messenger Lucas has brought foruth a communication form the transmission of the two droids of the intergalatic communciation.
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No, that's not how this works. If you make a claim (that Star Wars is real) you need to prove it. Besides, the simplest explanation by far is that Star Wars is fiction. Occam's Razor.
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No, that's not how this works. If you make a claim (that Star Wars is real) you need to prove it. Besides, the simplest explanation by far is that Star Wars is fiction. Occam's Razor.
I know that this is how it works. But it is not how any religion works. Star Wars could become a religion, I think.

My argument is NOT if Star Wars is real but it could become a relgion and then it would become a second degree truth as definded in the three kinds of truth theory.
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In which case it should not be discussed here. Religion is not an appropriate topic.

Added: Oh, I see that you edited your message while I was posting. I responded to a message that just said "Prove it." Seemed to be a pretty strong statement, but I see that you clarified later in your edit. Sorry for the mix-up. I still don't think that religion should be discussed, though.
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In which case it should not be discussed here. Religion is not an appropriate topic.
OK

Drop the word religion.

Look around at the detail and extent people discuss Star Wars. It is already becoming more than fiction. It is not hard to imagine future generations make it a third degree truth and then it moves to a second degree truth.

For get the R word. Let's call it a second degree truth.
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That I can deal with.

So, what are these degrees of truth? I can't find anything about them on Google.
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This discussion reminds me of something I heard a year or so ago about some people who have decided that the whole Tolkien universe, as outlined in The Silmarillion was an actual description of reality and that Tolkien didn't realize he was tapping into some universal truth. :roll:
So instead of a Judeo-Christian god, we have Iluvatar. Of course, those people also believed they were the descendants of elves.
Similarly, there was a journalist who made up an entire story about being abducted by aliens in order to expose some "psychologist" who had unearthed "suppressed memories" about alien abductions. Of course, when she confessed, the psychologist insisted that it was indeed a real memory that she was still unable to confront.
Am I making any sense here?
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This discussion reminds me of something I heard a year or so ago about some people who have decided that the whole Tolkien universe, as outlined in The Silmarillion was an actual description of reality and that Tolkien didn't realize he was tapping into some universal truth.
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Am I making any sense here?
Exactly.

If enough people believe it, it becomes a third degree truth. So, in a sense, it IS real.
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That I can deal with.

So, what are these degrees of truth? I can't find anything about them on Google.
The Three Kinds of Truth
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Read some of the other treads in this forum. Look at how much detail they go into and how they "pretend" it is real.
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As a lark, some people in the UK wrote down "Jedi" as their official religion during a census.
More than one. Thousands, I think. Wasn't it one of the choices?

This is definitely a religious topic, which probably will be moved to babbling if it ever reopens.
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As a lark, some people in the UK wrote down "Jedi" as their official religion during a census.
More than one. Thousands, I think. Wasn't it one of the choices?

This is definitely a religious topic, which probably will be moved to babbling if it ever reopens.
Not Exactly, One of The Choices ...
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"And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth..." and then "A long time ago, in a Galaxy far, far away..."
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Well of course it was Tolkien's and Lucas' intention to create a mythology. As I recall, Lord of the Rings was written because Tolkien disliked the fact the there were no great English epics (excluding Beowulf). He wanted to fill the void, as it were.
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Sounds like the story the Onion did awhile back on Fictionology. The central principle was you could believe in anything that had no connection to reality. The story didn't go into it, but I have no doubt there would soon be the "reformed" Star Wars and "Star Trek" branches. In a couple of centuries there would be open warfare ...

Seriously, there's nothing new about things becoming part of the culture, at least for a time. Some last longer than others. Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer, Frankenstein, Dracula, Superman, Batman, Star Trek and Star Wars are all examples.
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During the last census here in Australia (2001), over 70,000 people stated their religion as 'Jedi', sparking rumours that people who had done so would be fined for including false information in their census returns.

This actually became such an issue that the Government through the Australian Bureau of Statistics issued a release about it.
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Looking at the costumes in the theatre lines when the last Star Wars movie came out, I think maybe it has truly become a religion. I really do not understand the cult that has formed around these films.
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All of this is not without precedent. Go here for a chilling example.
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Star Wars, or Star Trek, or LOTR, or any other major pop-culture hit that has stood the tides of time thus far in the modern world will never become a religion. Sure, some people want to believe in the fantasy so much they may convince themselves that the fandom is r