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Old 16-August-2005, 05:45 PM
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If you ever want to see an example of what writers have have to go though, then just watch "The Twilight Zone" episode, "The Bard". Jack Weston plays the worlds worst tv writer, who while working on a script about a man that marries a witch (this was two years before "Bewitched") accidently conjures up William Shakespeare. WS writes a script that everyone loves, then during the rehearsal they proceede to change everything in the script. It is a very funny episode.

Rod Serling wrote it to show some of the problems he had getting the episodes on the air, and how they will praise a script, then turn around and gut it of everything the claimed that they loved about it.

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I'm not sure acid was involved in that case (reaching way back in memory, I am). Didn't the face-hugger just shatter its way through the face helmet simply via blunt force? We did not see the action of "acid" for the first time until a bit later when they tried to cut it off his face, I think.
No, it most definitely used acid to get through the faceplate. You can hear the sound effect of the acid at work when it first jumps on Kane and when they remove the faceplate later it looks melted, not just shattered.
The novelization and script both include the facehugger using acid to melt through the faceplate.
Has anyone ever explained what the Alien's circulatory system is made of, given it conducts an acid strong enough to effortlessly pass through metal & glass? Unobtanium?
From what I'd read before, the idea was that it was a silicon-based organism, and silicon compounds tend to react better (rather than being a wholesale replacement for carbon) in highly acidic solutions; hence, acid for blood. The bulkhead scene occurs when they first try and dissect the now defunct facehugger.

But going through an entire bulkhead...

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From what I'd read before, the idea was that it was a silicon-based organism, and silicon compounds tend to react better (rather than being a wholesale replacement for carbon) in highly acidic solutions; hence, acid for blood. ...
Makes sense.

As for the acid-blood eating through the "glass" faceplate and "glass" window, they would more likely be made of plastic. The ones in use today are polycarbonate, and polycarbonate is subject to attack by some acids.
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I agree but for different reasons, maybe it's just me but I actually think it was a very good movie(for a scifi comedy anyway..) while Buffy sucks royally.
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I agree but for different reasons, maybe it's just me but I actually think it was a very good movie(for a scifi comedy anyway..) while Buffy sucks royally.
Hm. I guess Finland must be some kind of bizarro-America, where what sucks here is seen as very good there, and what's very good here royally sucks there.
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I agree but for different reasons, maybe it's just me but I actually think it was a very good movie(for a scifi comedy anyway..) while Buffy sucks royally.
Hm. I guess Finland must be some kind of bizarro-America, where what sucks here is seen as very good there, and what's very good here royally sucks there.
Hmm, considering what passes for so-called "blockbusters" in Hollywood these days, are you sure it's Finland that's flipped inside-out?
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Oh, another real world equivalence? Ever pull a nail out of a tire. Big enough hole and it'll just spew till flat. Ever see a sidewall seperate? I watched a lady get knocked a good 5 feet away from her tire when it happened and she only had 25 pounds of preasure in it. Sounded like a stick of dynamite.
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because quite a few people(mostly apprentices at tyre shops) have been kiled by failures
our local tyre shop has a steel beam in the roof that was bent by one that failed on inflation-lucky the guy had his head out of the way
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Hm. I guess Finland must be some kind of bizarro-America, where what sucks here is seen as very good there, and what's very good here royally sucks there.
Hmm, considering what passes for so-called "blockbusters" in Hollywood these days, are you sure it's Finland that's flipped inside-out?
I didn't say one was right and one was wrong, just that they appeared to be opposites.
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Hm. I guess Finland must be some kind of bizarro-America, where what sucks here is seen as very good there, and what's very good here royally sucks there.
Hmm, considering what passes for so-called "blockbusters" in Hollywood these days, are you sure it's Finland that's flipped inside-out?
I didn't say one was right and one was wrong, just that they appeared to be opposites.
alternately, I live in Finland. (okay, no, I don't much care for, well, any of the Alien movies. not my thing. but nor is Buffy.)
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I didn't say one was right and one was wrong, just that they appeared to be opposites.
Ah, sorry Jason, I was being facetious. I guess my whimsical intent didn't carry well enough.
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Hm. I guess Finland must be some kind of bizarro-America, where what sucks here is seen as very good there, and what's very good here royally sucks there.
alternately, I live in Finland. (okay, no, I don't much care for, well, any of the Alien movies. not my thing. but nor is Buffy.)
So if we were to perform a scientific survey to see the extent of the Finland=bizarro-America thing I guess you could be the control.
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Yes Jason, my post was an adequate description of my country, I mean why bother with expensive traveling or boring geography when you can find out what other countries are like by just reading these posts, great!
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Hm. I guess Finland must be some kind of bizarro-America, where what sucks here is seen as very good there, and what's very good here royally sucks there.
Yes Jason, my post was an adequate description of my country, I mean why bother with expensive traveling or boring geography when you can find out what other countries are like by just reading these posts, great!
Oh, excellent. I'll just call up my travel agent and cancel that trip to Finland then.
Anyone else out there able to give me short description of your country so I don't have to visit?
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I'm not sure acid was involved in that case (reaching way back in memory, I am). Didn't the face-hugger just shatter its way through the face helmet simply via blunt force? We did not see the action of "acid" for the first time until a bit later when they tried to cut it off his face, I think.
No, it most definitely used acid to get through the faceplate. You can hear the sound effect of the acid at work when it first jumps on Kane and when they remove the faceplate later it looks melted, not just shattered.
The novelization and script both include the facehugger using acid to melt through the faceplate.
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But going through an entire bulkhead...

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OK - I can see that.
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I assumed that - if they had actually thought about it at all - the blood wasn't really acid, but was just called that. Instead, it was a mixture that contained powerful biological nanomachines that, for a time, were capable of breaking down a wide variety of materials outside their normal environment. It would make a very useful defense mechanism.
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I've seen it described somewhere that the formulation as it exists in Alien blood happens to be in a "stable" state. When it is released into air, a chemical reaction occurs such that it gains its highly corrosive nature. I have no idea if this sort of chemistry could work out. I guess it sounds good enough to me, who doesn't have the chemistry background to call BS on it. (I wouldn't say it is ironclad to me, either, as I believe my earlier comments are on record to suggest the "phenomenon" of "acid" wrt Xenomorphs doesn't seem particularly well thought out as far as how it behaves on things.)

One thing that I did think was pretty cool in Resurrection was the swim stroke Ripley clone was doing in that underwater scene. That looks like it would be highly effective for forward thrust, but I've never tried it to find out. Does that stroke really exist (for those who are expert swimmers here?), or has anybody ever tried it?
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as far as i remember she was just doing ordinary breast stroke.
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Is the breast stroke done with hands together?
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It's meant to resemble the way the aliens swim, isn't it? Again showing that she's not entirell human.
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