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I didn't like it much when I saw it at the cinema, but I will admit watching it again on DVD I managed to see past its faults and find some thing I like. There are some moments where the tension is building, some chilling atmosphere is there. But it doesn't last long.
This film is just too much of the same. We've already had 3 films of running around dark corridors. They needed to try something different. Set it outdoors. On an isolated planet, or something. I'd agree that the characters are all so unlikeable. Even Ripley annoys you. You just don't care much if any of them die. And they're all so odd looking. I know the directors likes these actors, but it just doesn't fit with the more real "truckers in space" style of the first films. Then about three-quarters of the way through it turns into a freak show. The alien-human baby is disgusting, but hardly terrifying.
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Just wait 20 years. We may get quality remakes of the entire Alien/Predator series. The first 2 Alien movies don't need remakes, but the rest sure do.
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Alien4...in space, no one can here you suck!
![]() Good point about space shouldn't be able to "suck" a monster though a pinhole. That never occurred to me while watching it. At the most, maybe a nasty raspberry? The part I didn't like about that scene is the flicking of acid onto the window. People think acid will just dissolve anything, but it really doesn't work like that. Acid is just a very good solvent for metals, and perhaps organic flesh. However, glass should be pretty darn stable. In fact, acid is stored in glass containers all the time (in a lab, for instance). I just rolled my eyes at the premise that acid could in anyway make a pinhole in a glass window. That whole Sigorney Weaver thing and artistic input...I think we can see how easily nutty personal views can really deep six a film. It's ok to have all the personal views you want, but don't inject them into movie projects just for the hell of it. We don't go see movies because we want to see how "Sigorney Weaver" would battle xenomorphs. We go see movies to see how space people deal with xenomorphs, and if that requires lots of gunfire, that's the way it's got to be, imo. For the longest time, she wanted a "make love to the Alien" theme, too, I hear. Get too close to some of these celebs, and you find what real kooks they are, I guess. She suggested it in Aliens production, but not until Alien4, did she get her wish. 'kay, whatever, Sig. I guess when it comes down to it, it's not like Alien4 could really have been ruined any worse Alien-luv or not. ![]() As for the topic title...I don't know about it being the worst ever movie, but it certainly was bad. Battlefield Earth still gets my vote for worst sci-fi movie ever.
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There are far, far worse films out there than Resurrection. I prefer it to AvP for a start.
Sure, there are giant plotholes, and the whole thing is a big demonstration of how taking some of my favorite people in film-making and sticking them together doesn't work if they don't get on (from "Amelie" and "City Of Lost Children" director Jean-Pierre Jeunet, to Joss "Buffy" Whedon), but that whole underwater sequence lifts it out of 'worst' for a start. |
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I'd actually enjoyed AvP (other than the whole running around Antarctica without a jacket on thing, which irritated me to no end.)
I'd forgotten the pinhole in 4 was made by a drop of acid. For some reason, I (vaguely) remembered it as a bullethole (which would have been slightly more plausible.) Correct me if I'm wrong, though, wouldn't a bullet-sized hole with comfortable air pressure on one side and hard vaccuum on the other simply make a lot of noise and empty the room of air over a few minutes or so? Maybe cause a detectable breeze if you're close enough to it? I mean, you can only get so much air through that tiny little hole, right?
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Uh, the acid that caused the hole in Resurrection was alien blood, wasn't it? 8-[ I also found the "likability" factor (or lack thereof) of the characters in this film to be off-putting. Hard to believe that Joss Firefly Whedon wrote this, ain't it?
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Also, the alien was less than a day old. It seems much more reasonable that all of its behavior was instinctual.
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It's slangy, Swift. In science fiction, hard vaccuum usually implies significant peril; the prospect of experiencing vaccuum while unprotected.
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I believe he has somewhat "disowned" the final film, saying that the director changed a lot of what he wrote - he certainly didn't have the creative control here he had on Firefly or even Buffy. Still, his name is the only one on the "Written By" credit (except for a "Characters" credit for the writers of the original Alien).
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Even though I understand the problems the director of A3 had (the changing script, sets that were already constructed for when the movie was suppose to take place on a space station with monks that was constructed of wood), I still dislike the movie, and find A4 more enjoyable, even though it is pure bubblegum. David. |
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Similar thing happened more recently on a British Airways jet where they'd replaced a windshield with the wrong bolts. Windscreen blew out and the pilot was almost ejected completely out (only saved by a stewad holding on for dear life). So it apparently can happen, but they couldn't replicate it on Mythbusters. Don't know if they acknowledged the real world incidents, however. Back on topic, there was another oddity as I recall about Alien Ressurecction. The military ship is supposed to be at the edge of controled space in a universe where long trips require sleep pods, right? How is it that it managed to get back to Earth so bloody fast to crash into it? And Earth has no defence againt an out of control ship heading right for it? When it apparently has enough force to take out Brazil?
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One of the things that they found was that the volume of air released makes the difference. For example, the bullet hole only allows so much air out at a time, and so it has almost no effect on the inside of the plane. Take out a larger portion of the plane (or in the case of the British Airways flight, the windscreen), and the large volume of air leaving the plane will pull large objects with it, including people. I'm pretty sure they made mention of previous incidents (the Hawaiian Airlines plane where the cabin blew apart due to metal fatigue was mentioned, I believe). We now return you to your previously scheduled discussion about the dreadful movie that was Alien 4. It certainly wasn't the worst movie ever, or even the worst sci-fi movie ever, but I don't think I could ever voluntarily sit through it again. |
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The "Director's Cut" version ends with Ripley and Cal looking out on a post-apocalyptic-style desert wasteland, so it's not all that unlikely that no one cares that they're about to crash into it.
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Back off topic. Spent a little over a year as a Fatigue and Static Test Technician for Cessna aircraft a couple lifetimes ago. They would fill the fuselages's or test vessels if you will, with as many foam peanuts and foam blocks to fill the vessel before tests including catastrophic tests. Points of failure were located, identified and watched and depending on the tests, cycled to failure. Little bitty holes will spew air like on Mythbusters, till the air goes out. Kinda like the Greek airliner or Payne Stewarts plane. Well, I forget what valve let go in Payne's plane and it'll be a bit before we know on the other, but it's just like punching a hole in a tire, spew till empty.
However, in the right areas a large hole will open up and allowing large volumes of air to leave at one time and as force equals preasure by area a big hole has lots of force. Those explosions, and they were pretty loud, would blow foam blocks and peanuts all around. I once watched a peanut fall out of the rafters a full 6 months after the test. And we filled these things as full of foam as we could to minimize the danger, STILL there is a whole lotta air in those things. So, catastrophic, blow a whole window out of the airplane, style decompression, your in trouble. Little bitty hole in the window, stick a metal or thick plastic tray against it while the airplane crew descends to 10,000 feet. Oh, another real world equivalence? Ever pull a nail out of a tire. Big enough hole and it'll just spew till flat. Ever see a sidewall seperate? I watched a lady get knocked a good 5 feet away from her tire when it happened and she only had 25 pounds of preasure in it. Sounded like a stick of dynamite. And yes, although the big bomb explosions were kinda neet, they were never as cool as the rooster shots! |
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...but upon closer examination, this may not be the super-acid we would expect to do the kinds of things premised in the movie. It may turn out that HFl doesn't necessarily "dissolve" glass, rather etch it or slowly weaken it. It's possible the higher reason it is not kept in glass containers in laboratories is to keep it pure (you don't want Si to leech into the chemical because that would easily throw off the reaction for anything else you'd use it for later on), and you don't want to have to worry about the glass container cracking apart due to a weakening stress fracture (spilling acid all over the place). This is aside from the acid being able to actually dissolve glass (which I don't think is the case). So I maintain that even if the Alien acid was HFl-based, spritzing a gloop of it onto an industrial-tempered "space" glass window isn't going to pinhole it. At the worst, maybe leave a dull mark, I'd expect. ![]()
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The novelization and script both include the facehugger using acid to melt through the faceplate.
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