Did you notice a scene orbiting Romulus. There were no stars! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Unfortunately, it only happened once.

When the Enterprise rammed the Scimitar, they could have just as easily rammed the wings to destroy the weapon o' mass destruction. Wasn't that the point? They clearly had possession of the blueprints (probably knicked by Data).

The mood lighting when Troi was doing her thang is another reference to the past. They used to do that sort of lighting all the time in Classic.

I was shocked to hear the captain of a starship doesn't know the course that his ship is taking.

Betazed is in the opposite direction from Earth than the Neutral Zone!

It wasn't explained very clearly how a bunch of slaves got the resources and opportunity to secretly build the Scimitar.

My girlfriend pointed out to me that Picard was able to weld the Scimitar's shuttlebay doors shut with great ease and yet the Remans couldn't dent them.

Did you notice that when Schinzon ordered a full reverse to seperate from the Enterprise, the thrusters extended. What's the benefit of retractable thrusters. The plumbing must be a nightmare.

This is bad. The displays that they had on their desks were off-the-shelf LCD screens. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img]

Still, they didn't give Wil Wheaton any lines and Whoopi Goldberg appeared (did anyone see her in the Christmas special of AbFab?) so not a bad movie overall.

I would imagine to protect them from damage in battle, it is a warship afterall. The Fed' ships are constantly getting their engines knocked out. One hit from a low-power laser would tear the spoon out of the outtakes. -Colt

__________________
Be not afraid of any man no matter what his size; when danger threatens, call on me, and I will equalize.

I think it's Wrath of Khan where Kirk has a Commodore PET on his desk.

_________________
"... to strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield." - Tennyson, Ulysses

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: ToSeek on 2003-01-06 12:40 ]</font>

SPOILERS ALERT!!!




I finally broke down and went to see NEMISIS. I can't say that I was overly impressed with it.

Yeah, I don't think that it was explained at all. It's kinda hard to believe that slaves would be able to gain access to a ship like this.

A couple of other things I noticed...

Why, oh why, didn't Geordi make 2 of those transporter thing-a-majigs? At the very least Data could have given his to Picard when he beamed over. (Like he tried to do earlier in the movie).

Every one is upset about Data's demise at the end of the movie, yet there is no mention of the hundreds that must have been killed in the front part of the saucer section when the Enterprise rammed the Scimitar. (Maybe Picard warned the crew, but I saw no evidence of that).


I will say that I wanted to see this movie on the big screen because of the space battles and I was not dissapointed. They were lots of fun, but my vote for the best STTNG movie still has to be First Contact.

I second that motion.

I third it. At least Patrick Stewart got to be seen for the great actor he is. I was twelve when I first saw it and was terrified that Borg were everywhere for months.

Yes, I too found it very annoying that they did all that fuss over the loss of Data and yet nobody seems to remember THAT AN ENSIGN FLEW OFF THE BRIDGE TO DIE IN SPACE. Or the half dozen or so that were massacred in the corridor (of course the enemies' first shots were directed at the cannon fodders behind them, not Riker and Worf).

And yes, First Contact was the best by far.

That's where they're really improving on Enterprise. So far, I don't think a single crew member has died. They're treating each life as valuable.

Then again, they've never been up against a big a** cloaked Warbird...

Still, the focus on mourning Data is a bit of self-indulgence. Sisko was better for the old bereavement bit.

See 'The Ship', 'The Seige of AR-558', 'Rocks and Shoals'.

People over on the Trek BBS are grumbling about how there have been no deaths on Enterprise and it is un-Treklike. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] I believe that in some of the episodes it would have had to be some odd miracle to save the crewmen from death. In the episode Minefield, 1/6th - 1/8th of the saucer was gone. If they weren't killed directly by the blast then by loss of pressure, etc. Plus, they don't have any Redshirts to kill off, they need to switch the engineers uniforms to a red color. -Colt

__________________
Be not afraid of any man no matter what his size; when danger threatens, call on me, and I will equalize.

Especially in TOS, every time they beamed down a team consisting from some of the stars and some unknown faces to an unknown planet, you could be pretty sure that at least one of the unknown faces was going to be killed. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

If one of the stars was killed, he was always resurrected by some "magic" tech or alien.

Is there anywhere a list how often who was dead? I surely remember Kirk, Spock, Scotty being killed in some episodes, but never Bones (maybe they always needed him to say: "He's dead!" in a dramatic way to the others [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] )

Harald

Probably your best bet is to go to a Star Trek site. Possibly the Nitpickers guide would have it.

I remember Kirk getting offed twice (both times by Spock--once in Amok Time (actually, that one could be blamed on McCoy), once in The Enterprise Incident (the infamous Vulcan Death Grip). Pseudo Kirk is killed in What Are Little Girls Made Of.

Scotty once, in The Changeling. He gets hit by a thunderbolt but survives in Who Mourns for Adonis.

Spock gets almost killed several times, but is saved by his alien physiology. The Apple by the alien plant, a flintlock in A Private Little War, the cloud creature in Obsession. He is nearly blinded in Operation: Annihilate, driven insane in Is There In Truth No Beauty, debrained in Spock's Brain. I don't remember him actually being pronounced dead anywhere.

Bones gets the dreaded Soap Opera Disease in For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky, but never really dies.

Chekov dies in Spectre of the Gun, but is too busy lusting after the barmaid to notice.

Uhura gets her brain wiped in The Changeling.

Ensign Riley is killed in one episode (i've forgotten which one) but shows up in a later episode. No explanation; could be a twin, a clone, a transporter malfunction.

Anyway, those should do for a start.

Kevin Riley? When was he killed? I only remember seeing him twice: 'The Naked Time' and 'The Conscience of the King'. In 'The Naked Time', his friend Joe Tormolen stabbed himself and died.

That one came from The Nitpicker's Guide. I don't have a copy here; if i remember tonight i'll look it up.

Faulty memory, my apologies. Galloway, vaporized by Captain Tracy in The Omega Glory, inexplicably reappears in Turnabout Intruder.

Oh. And i forgot one--Bones is killed in Shore Leave and gets to hang around with a couple of showgirls in the afterlife.

Is that Phil Farrand's book? I've got the NextGen guide, the NextGen II guide and the DS9 guide but I haven't seen any others.

BTW, why are all the nitpickers named Phil?

It was his vacation, he could do with it what he wanted to!

Yep, I've got TOS and TNG, i didn't know there was a TNG2 or DS9. I don't believe he's enough of a masochist to put out a VGER version.

Better than being poked with a sharp stick (and he would know).

Yes, NextGen II contains season seven, Generations and extra stuff his readers sent into him about the first six seasons including corrections to NextGen guide. Remember 'The Enemy'? He couldn't find anything wrong with it. The Guild succeded. There's a huge review of that episode. DS9 contains the first four seasons, including an essay on how he rather the name of the series be Bajor: Terok Nor.

Perhaps some of the physicists out there could give me a hand with a scene. (SPOLIER): Near the end of the movie, when the Enterprise is trying to meet up with more of Star Fleet, they get waylaid by Shih Tzu. At this point in time, the Enterprise is at some ungodly level of Warp speed, really hauling tail across the galaxy. Shih Tzu is onboard the Scimitar, watching the Enterprise on-screen just prior to opening fire. Now, unless I’m horribly confused, the Enterprise is traveling well above the speed of light. So, how can Shih Tzu see the other ship? Would crossing the light barrier be like crossing the sound barrier? That is, the light reflecting off of/emitted by the Enterprise is “lagging” behind, much like you hear a supersonic aircraft after it’s gone by (this has always been my impression…)? Is just a movie glitch, or is this a twist of relativity, i.e. since both ships are traveling at such speeds something or other happens? Or, also likely, am I just frighteningly confused in total? Thanks in advance…

__________________
Once bread has become toast, it can never become bread again...