Comixx,

a choke hold is a slightly different case. In the event of cardiac arrest, or dysrhythmia such as ventricular fib or tach, the blood pressure drops to zero ( or near enough as to not matter.) an experiment to illustrate: (caution: professionals at work. DO NOT try this at home!) Go without water for two days to get good and dehydrated. Lie down for 30 minutes, then jump up to a standing position, and see how long it takes to pass out. Only a second or two. Even the tightest choke hold cannot block the flow of the vertebral arteries, so the BP at the brain won't drop all the way to zero. (Exception -- older people with significant blockages of the vertebrals, but they would pass out in just a few seconds. )

Blood pressure is the factor in conciousness, not oxygen. The brain can survive about four minutes without oxygen, but cannot maintain conciousness without blood pressure for more and 2-3 seconds.

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Well, I was trying to agree to the quick passout scenario, actually, so thanks for the clarification We know that movies often take events which take some time and compress that time for convenience sake (most Americans have a 4 second attention span for watching a room with no action taking place...which is why a good many movies will never linger on a scene cut for more than 4 seconds if no action is going on...count it out sometime...but dont use 2001, it's an obvious exception to this rule)

As ever, my objection is with the EMP and it's selective effects

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Cool. I didn't read the addition until just now. I think it was NASA that confused things (just ask the HB's), because I think it was their website that used "divergent fault" and "convergent fault."

But I ain't ever going to point out any of Comixx's typos, 'cause they know too much about choke holds.

Ooh! Ooh! My turn to nitpick on g99's review!!

g99, in your review, you say:

"So instead of going just beyond L.A. to the desert or landing in a large field, they try to be dramatic and with their handy L.A. tour guide map they decide to land in the concrete river (as seen in Terminator 2.). It sure is handy that they carry a map of L.A. in the shuttle. Good thinking NASA!."

Actually, I noticed the map she was carrying. It was a standard sectional aeronautical chart for the Los Angeles area, the kind used by all pilots (private, airliner, or what have you).



Cheap plug: And here's MY review of The Core!

:-) I let everyone have a crack at it. It makes me feel special.

But whay would NASA give them a map of LA?

Do aeronotical maps show concrete rivers? Could'nt they land on a highway or something? That way they don't have to avoid the bridges.



Liked your review tracer.

Three things:

1.In one comic where the hulk is battling Wolverine it was revealed that the hulks invulnerability is not because he get stronger as he gets hurt, it is that he has a extreemly fast healing rate. Almost instantaneous. I can't rember the issue.

2. The Unobtanium was mentioned early in the film that it turns heat and pressure into energy. So Keyes was just repeating what was mentioned earlier.

The thing is, as they go closer to the surface would not the pressure become lessened? So the emount of energy being produced by the hull would lessen and they would slow down. Right? (not counting the whole constant pressure=no energy thing)

3. They are shown coming up near Hawaii. Hawaii is right over a hotspot on the earth. Actually it is a result of one.

One theory i have heard is that the magma from the hotspot originates from near the outer core boundry. So they could possibly follow the magma as it goes up. Other theories of the origin of Hot spots is just a weakining of the crust there for some reason.

The one thing that got me there was that at the begining they mentioned that Vergil couldn't turn for the life of it. But as it was traveling up the magma flow it turned better than any submarine i know. I guess all those lost sections made it harder to turn.

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Nice review, tracer.

F****** A, Bubba. We need nuclear space propulsion, but the NU-CU-LAR boogey man makes everyone to scared.

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Hub - its OK for you to post those Alvord pictures elsewhere. - m

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Ah -- I guess the phrasing in my review was rather ambiguous. When I said that Unobtainium gets stronger the more pressure it's subjected to, "just like the Hulk," I was referring to the Hulk's old addage, "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets!"

Oops, I missed that. They must've said it too quickly. I still wanna know how turning it into "energy" automatically means it produces electricity, though.




There's one other nitpick I should have put in my review, but forgot to: When the space shuttle was gliding in toward Los Angeles, its descent angle was way too shallow. In real life, the space shuttle has a glide path like a bowling ball -- it doesn't so much "glide" in as undergo a controlled fall. (In fact, to mimic the lift and drag characteristics of the space shuttle while training its pilots, they take them up to 30,000 feet altitude in a specially modified business jet, then put down full flaps, full spoilers, all air brakes, and run the engines in reverse.)

One question: When the shuttle is careening throught the concrete river, they use the flight controlls to steer the craft. Could they really do that? I mean the rudder should have able to turn the craft on the ground, but that fast?

Do you mean before, or after, they retracted the landing gear while on the ground?

The reason I ask is that, in light airplanes, the rudder pedals typically double as the nose-wheel steering mechanism. You push the left pedal down, and both the rudder and the nose wheel will deflect to the left. Large planes, such as airliners, typically have a steering lever that's separate from the rudder controls, but I don't know which scheme the Space Shuttle uses. SO, if you're talking about them steering with the flight controls on the ground before they retracted the landing gear, then they may have actually been steering the nose wheel.

After the landing gear was retracted is another matter. Remember when they deployed their "air brake"? The rudder split in half, and both halves of the rudder stuck out in opposite directions to reduce their drag. I seriously doubt that any rudder control was possible after that point.

Before the landing gear retracted. Thanks! :-)

The interesting think about unobtanium is that it needs thermal energy to do its thang. So it's basically turning energy into energy.

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It was hard to tell from the dialog in the movie as they were descending into the ocean, but I was under the impression that in order for Unobtainium to become temperature-resistant, it had to be subjected to high pressures. (The designer was worried that the pressure around them in the deep ocean wasn't getting high enough to protect them once they started drilling into the Earth.)