I can't believe the current state of American stupidity in terms of science, geography, and our own freakin language. This causes such horiffically stupid movies such as most recently: The Core. A movie filled with so many scientific inconsistancy's, that no one in the general public knows what is and isn't right.It's just sad how writers and actors can willingly declare that the science of The Core is in any way correct. I'm sorry to have offended anyone, but I just wanted to point out the sad shortcummings on the part of Amercan inteligence. thank you.

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I would like to point out that this has absolutely nothing to do with BA, the BABB, or any of us. You, who are ranting about lack of intelligence (and point out the lack of literacy in modern America), make several spelling and grammatical errors. Before you can say something about someone else, or a group of people, examine yourself and find what is lacking. If you have America and want to rant about it, go to somewhere where it might pertain; like ihatemyself.com. :-? -Colt

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i must agree. i mean, the core was a good movie and all, and it did have some errors, but this isnt the forum to be posting this in. perhaps you should read what it written under the forum name before randomly clicking.

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It is said that you never get a second chance to make a good first impression. You have blown yours as "crumb44". However, due to the nature of the internet, you can rejoin under a new "nick" and post intelligently (and only you and the BA will know about your inauspicious start).

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Incidentally, crumb44 sent me a private message. Apparently, I've been trying to convince people of the existence of Planet X. He thinks I should stop.

He seems to like that smiley a lot.

Apparently? Do you know for sure?

I think Colt said it all, crumb44. Reread your first post before you go any further.

I agree. This is inapropriate and the subject heading is also. While i feel it is o.k. to rant about the science in The Core (we have done that alot), but to call America stupid and make Ad hominum remarks about americans in general is too far. While i would mostly agree with you in person, on this board you have to have more proof. Show us something like test scores or that National Geographic article that was run some months ago. Show us a article written by a English professor talking about the abhorid use of grammar and spelling (mostly by me :-)) in the American culture.

Just saying that American's are stupid and mess up their own language will get you nowhere. Movies Like [i]The Core[/i[] are made more for the box office reciepts than for the chance that they will make people learn. Nova does a much better job at making us learn. We have had threads about the Sad State of Science education, but in those threads it does not degrade to "you are stupid, we are all stupid". Instead it is calm and beneficial. The professors, Students, and teachers on this board tell it like it is in their classes. They give helpful hinnts of how to we personally can prevent this in the future. Ranting will get you nowhere.

I might be a little more lenient than others and give you a second chance with this name. A chance to start over with a new first impression to me (i can't speak for others or the BA). I hope you make it a good one.

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I don't remember ever doing it. I didn't even realize there was a Planet X controversy until I happened on this site. (I came for the moon hoax.)

yeah....I agree, judging a group of people, any people, is stupid and disgusting. The United-States has over 300 million people in it and is the third most populated country in the world. In addition to that, I would argue that it is far more diverse than the two countries that have a larger population.

While I'm ranting (even though yes, I know it's not the place), the amount of irrational anti-americanism that I hear in Canada makes me ashamed of being Canadian. :x

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He does have a point about the writers and actors willingly declaring that the science in The Core is in any way correct, though.

Come for the moon hoax, stay for Niburu.

The funny thing about crumb44's post is that I think he's probably American. It's also possible that he expected the people on this board to jump right in and agree with him. Let's hope he sees that he misread us and will try again.

Well, hey, it is though. Sorta.

I mean, the earth does have a magnetic field and it does have a core and... and...

Okay, help me out here. What else did they get right?

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I know you're not serious, but here's one thing that they got right possibly by accident, that a lot of people think they got wrong.

I'm sorry, all right? I should've done the calculations before I shot off my big mouth. I know, I know! Sheesh!

LOL! Sorry, tracer, it wasn't just you. That thread was a seven car pileup, and you know how that goes...

I have to defend crumb44 in spite of his bad spelling. I think there's a connection between bad science and a peculiar sort of anti-intellectualism in our culture. For instance how many beer commercials have you seen that seem to celebrate stupidity? And why do people think there's no need for correct spelling and grammar in e-mails? Would you call it a lack of intellectual pride? The same thing allows people who know very little science to think it doesn't matter.

Wile i do not think that bad movie science leads the the dumbing down of culture, i do think it does not make anyone smarter.

I agree with the beer commercials.

spelling in e-mails is just being lazy, not poor grammar. I do not use them in my term papers. Why type out a 13 letter word when a 3 letter short for the word does just as well? It is just a personal correspondence. If it was official i would think you would never see LOL or ROFL anywhere in the e-mail.

Most people that i know do not take the science in movies seriously. And i am willing to bet that the average american does not either.

What i do have a problem with is like you say, when the movie says it is correct science when it is not. This does not make people dumber, that is impossible. It just misleads them and sends them down the wrong path. By visiting here or any other science board they can easily be corrected with only a little bit of a hurt ego.


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Welcome to the board!!

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americans are nothing but victims of their own government.

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Welcome to the BABB, Avitochol, but the Turf Greenius forum is two doors down.

Dont get me wrong, i dont mean to insult anyone, but is it at all possible that crumb44 took Kaptain K's advice, and became MAPNUT??
Again, i dont mean to upset anyone.

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Nope. Mapnut doesn't make spelling errors. Honestly, although there are obviously many brilliant Americans, don't you think the media enjoy and profit from exploiting the many not-so-brilliant?

D*ng! You spelled every word correctly, again. What are the odds of that??

You are absolutely right about the exploitation issue, but it is not limited to the not-so-brilliant. In fact, I think it is the opposite end of the spectrum that is taken in more surely--because, it's been said, they're so confident in their skill at detecting fraud.

My $0.02 worth about exploitation of the dumb and credulous by "the media":

I believe "the media" would much rather have a lot more smart, well-informed people around. They would have a bigger market for their more in-depth stories that way. I believe "the media" will always pander to the lowest common denominator as a means of ensuring its own popularity, that the best way to improve the quality of the media is to raise this lowest common denominator, and that the media will profit more from, and be grateful for, a more well-informed and well-educated public.

Perhaps, but the advertisers would rather have an audience as dumb as posts.

The writers may wish for a more intelligent audience, but i'm not so sure about the producers.

I think with the media there is a wide range of approaches. Some outlets take the high-road and go with informative, intelligent coverage while others would rather do a three-page story on a Hollywood star getting busted for DUI. The problem lies in that news is a very competetive industry so eventually profit margins and Neilsen ratings win out over integrity. While some media (New York Times, 60 Minutes) have a good enough reputation that they do not have to pander to the lowest common denominator the vast majority have to if they are to survive. North America can expect to see more shows like 'Jerry Springer' because such shows are popular. I can't see this trend ending anytime soon.

Yeah. I've noticed the seemingly endless "creativity" with these "reality" date shows (The Bachelor et al). I'm wondering how long before somebody comes up with "The Affair" - sixteen weeks of two people cheating on their spouses. Gee they could even justify it as a public service show so that we would all know the "signs" to look for.

Yep, as soon as I saw 10 minutes of the 'Anna Nicole' show I knew that intelligent TV programming was an oxymoron.

But to turn it back to astronomy, competition leads to sensationalism in media, as that is seen as one of the few ways to get the audience to tune in. Does anyone think FOX really cared about integrity when it aired that show about the moon landing being a hoax? Who here has seen promotions for 'asteriods are going to kill us all' programs? I'm willing to bet shows discussing heartfelt renditions of being probed by aliens will get more people watching than a show about the discovery of Quaoar.

So is the media to blame? Education to blame? Extensive TV viewing to blame? Who's to say.