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Just one; it's not science fiction!
There are aliens!

Actually, it's my least favorite King.
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Lemme give you a coupon redeemable for one free clue.

He knows about that abomination. He was referring to it being done right.
Ah, right. I'd like to add 2010 to that list then.
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How about Niven and Pournelle's Footfall? Hollywood seems to love those kind of stories already, so maybe it could make it to the screen relatively intact.
I think "Footfall" is nothing special. The only things that distinguish it from zillion other alien invasion stories are the number of protagonists and the level of detail (and the resulting heft). Remove the details -- which is necessary to fit it into a movie, -- and you have an entirely linear run-of-the-mill story. Just the kind Hollywood loves!
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Greg Bear's "EON". I've read that "The Forge of God"/"Anvil of Stars" and "Darwin's Radio"/"Darwin's Children" have been optioned.
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How about Niven and Pournelle's Footfall? Hollywood seems to love those kind of stories already, so maybe it could make it to the screen relatively intact.
I think "Footfall" is nothing special. The only things that distinguish it from zillion other alien invasion stories are the number of protagonists and the level of detail (and the resulting heft). Remove the details -- which is necessary to fit it into a movie, -- and you have an entirely linear run-of-the-mill story. Just the kind Hollywood loves!
I understand what you are saying Ilya - I cant' speak for anyone else, but it might be nice to see a well made, semi-scientific alien invasion movie, and Footfall might have a chance, at least based on the book. It is almost surprising that someone in Hollywood hasn't made it; certainly the Fithp would not be a challenge for current special effects. Some of the story is probably a little dated now, like Cold-War stuff with the Russians, but it might be interesting to update it to the current world.

It might even be better as a mini-series of TV, if you spent the money on the effects, you could really get into some of the alien psychology stuff.
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Interesting. Was that a radio play too? I think Asimov's stories are eminently suitable for such a medium, as they basically all take place in doors and the action is mostly cerebral.

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"Footfall" - Baby elephants from outer space!! Yeah! I love it already! :-)

BTW, what ever happened to the Ender's Game movie?
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Ugh...no...stop...don't... They couldn't. No way to touch that one and not completely garbling the crap out of it. For starters, Ender killing the other team leader will likely be dropped, even though its one of the key elements to how he grows, and the part with his brother and sister playing political pundit via hacked accounts is vomitously Disney. I never could take it seriously. RTS video gamer saves humanity? Oh no no no, please, just don't...
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Good choice, vonmazur. Although I once read an interview McKenna gave where he said he considered The Sand Pebbles a science fiction novel in the broadest terms (bascially humans meet advanced alien civilization).

And it's a truly fine novel as well. The ending just sticks it in your gut.
Thank you sir! The short story was truly great, especially for the era...The Sand Pebbles was also one of the best....However I have a new suggestion to add to this fine thread...Phillip Jose Farmer's classic short story; "The Jungle Rot Kid on the Nod..." (If Tarzan was written by William Burroughs instead of Edgar Rice Burroughs.....)

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Thank you sir! The short story was truly great, especially for the era...The Sand Pebbles was also one of the best....However I have a new suggestion to add to this fine thread...Phillip Jose Farmer's classic short story; "The Jungle Rot Kid on the Nod..." (If Tarzan was written by William Burroughs instead of Edgar Rice Burroughs.....)...
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What about Star Smashers Of The Galaxy Rangers or The Stainless Steel Rat by Harry Harrison?

Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency or The Long Dark Tea-time Of The Soul by Douglas Adams?

Films of Patrick Tilley's Amtrak Wars series might also be interesting.
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'A Canticle for Liebowitz' by Walter Miller. While some might object to the religious overtones, the characters are very richly drawn.

'The Listeners' by James Gunn. At first glance it's just 'Contact' warmed over, but the thrust of the story seems, to me, to be quite different.
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'A Canticle for Liebowitz' by Walter Miller. While some might object to the religious overtones, the characters are very richly drawn.
Wonderful story, but I also wonder if it might be a little dated and how well it could be updated post-Cold War.
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Absolutely! Is it just me or does anyone else think Johnny Depp would make a great Dirk Gently?
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Any William Gibson novel. Preferably Neuromancer.

Also, Halflife could make a good movie or animation. I know it's not a book, but it's still cool.
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As much as I would like to see Star Smashes made. I am not sure how Hollywood would handle some of the themes. Maybe off Hollywood, English perhaps could turm it into a worthwhile project, but I dont think mainstream Hollywood can do it
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'A Canticle for Liebowitz' by Walter Miller. While some might object to the religious overtones, the characters are very richly drawn.
I've been waiting for someone to come up with that. Also, how about "The Sparrow" by Maria Doria Russell?
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Absolutely! Is it just me or does anyone else think Johnny Depp would make a great Dirk Gently?
My first reaction to this is, no way!

I'm not sure why. I think it's got to be someone who initially seems normal but whose weirdness shows through gradually.

Ah, I've got a concrete reason.

In the second book, Dirk Gently realises he's going to be four hours late for an appointment. His first reaction is to go into a panic and try to get there as quickly as possible. But then he stops and thinks about it. He thinks, which is better, arrive four hours late in a panicky, flustered state? Or arrive four hours and five minutes late, but in a calm state?

Johnny Depp wouldn't have that problem. He'd just think, Oh look, I'm four hours late. Oh well, I am so smooth I can talk my way out of the problem.

Meanwhile, I have an idea for an SF film that would be brilliant, and need virtually no special effects. It's Dying Inside by Robert Silverberg. I see it being done in the style of, say, Finding Forrester. It could be updated, but it would be nicer if it was set in the sixties and seventies. It would almost certainly need voice-over narration to make it clear that David Selig is telepathic, but that his ability is becoming increasingly unreliable in his middle age.

Of course, a lot of people would say it wasn't science fiction because it doesn't have aliens and ray guns, but what the hey.

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So, I would like to see StarTrek go away and Fred Saberhagen's Berserker universe get a shot at a series and movie. I like popcorn!

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* BERSERKER, Ballantine, 1967. Ace, 1980. Ace, 1992.
* BERSERKER BASE, Tor, 1987.
* BERSERKER BLUE DEATH, Tor, 1985.
* BERSERKER FURY , Tor, 1997.
* BERSERKER KILL, Tor, 1993.
* BERSERKER MAN,Tor, 1992.
* BERSERKER PLANET,Tor, 1991.
* BERSERKER PRIME, Tor, 2003.
* BERSERKER STAR, Tor, 2003.
* BERSERKER THRONE,Tor, 1986.
* ROGUE BERSERKER, Baen, 2004
* SHIVA IN STEEL, Tor, 1998.

COLLECTIONS:

* BROTHER ASSASSIN, Tor, 1993.
* BERSERKER ATTACK, 1987. A special limited edition for Waldenbooks Otherworlds Club.
* BERSERKER LIES,Tor, 1991.
* BERSERKER WARS,Tor, 1981. Tor, 2003.
* ULTIMATE ENEMY, Baen, 1987.
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Long ago, in a distant part of the galaxy, two alien races met--and fought a war of mutual extinction. The sole legacy of that war was the weapon that ended it: the death machines, the BERSERKERS. Guided by self-aware computers more intelligent than any human, these world-sized battlecraft carved a swath of death through the galaxy--until they arrived at the outskirts of the fledgling Empire of Man.

These are the stories of the frail creatures who must meet this monstrous and implacable enemy--and who, by fighting it to a standstill, become the saviors of all living things.

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* Fortress Ship
* Goodlife
* In Temple of Mars
* Mr. Jester
* Masque of Red Shift
* Patron of Arts
* Peacemaker
* Sign of the Wolf
* Stone Place
* Face of the Deep
* What'T' and 'I' Did
http://www.berserker.com/FredsBerserkers.html

I'd love to see his swords get a series too!

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ARDNEH'S SWORD, Tor, 2006.

1st BOOK OF SWORDS, Tor, 1984
2nd BOOK OF SWORDS, Tor,1985
3rd BOOK OF SWORDS, Tor, 1985

1st BOOK OF LOST SWORDS: WOUNDHEALER'S STORY, Tor, 1988
2nd BOOK OF LOST SWORDS: SIGHTBLINDER'S STORY, Tor, 1988
3rd BOOK OF LOST SWORDS: STONECUTTER'S STORY, Tor, 1988
4th BOOK OF LOST SWORDS: FARSLAYER'S STORY, Tor, 1989
5th BOOK OF LOST SWORDS: COINSPINNER'S STORY, Tor, 1989
6th BOOK OF LOST SWORDS: MINDSWORD'S STORY, Tor, 1990
7th BOOK OF LOST SWORDS: WAYFINDER'S STORY, Tor, 1992
LAST BOOK OF LOST SWORDS: SHIELDBREAKER'S STORY, Tor, 1993; Tor, 1999 reprint.

FIRST SWORDS, Tor, Jan 1999. Reprint. An omnibus of the three original BOOK OF SWORDS

SWORDSI-III:COMPLETE SWORDS, Doubleday Book Club Edition
THE BOOK OF LOST SWORDS: THE FIRST TRIAD, Doubleday Book Club Edition
THE BOOK OF LOST SWORDS: THE SECOND TRIAD, Doubleday Book Club Edition
THE BOOK OF LOST SWORDS: THE END GAME, Doubleday Book Club Edition

AN ARMORY OF SWORDS, Tor, 1995, 1995
(A collection set in the SWORDS world by authors: Fred Saberhagen, Walter Jon Williams, Gene Bostwick, Robert E. Vardeman, Thomas Saberhagen, Pati Nagle ., Michael A. Stackpole, Sage Walker)

THE TWELVE SWORDS
http://www.berserker.com/info_swdprop.htm

Roger Zelaney's Chronicles of Amber would be fun as well
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Nine Princes in Amber (1970) Trumps of Doom (1985)
The Guns of Avalon (1972) Blood of Amber (1986)
Sign of the Unicorn (1975) Sign of Chaos (1987)
The Hand of Oberon (1976) Knight of Shadows (1989)
The Courts of Chaos (1978) Prince of Chaos (1991)

Amber Short Stories "Prolog to Trumps of Doom" (1985)
"The Salesman's Tale" (1994)
"Blue Horse, Dancing Mountains" (1995)
"The Shroudling and the Guisel"(1994)
"Coming to a Cord" (1995)
"Hall of Mirrors" (1996)
Miscellaneous The Complete Amber Sourcebook (1996)
Roger Zelazny's Visual Guide to Castle Amber (1988)
L'Univers d'Ambre (1996)
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John Carter of Mars (2009)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401729/

Rendezvous with Rama (2009)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134933/

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he guy who adapted I Robot is working on an adaptation of the Foundation Trilogy for FOX and the designated director are Shekhur Kapor who did 'Elizabeth' a couple of years back. They're planning two films mainly focusing on the second and third book, using the first book as the backdrop story. There's an interview with Jeff Vintar who adapted I Robot from August 2004 on this page:

http://www.screenwritersutopia.com/m...wpage&pid=2713

scroll down to approx. the middle of the interview where he talks about the Foundation films.
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1. John Carter of Mars (2009)
2. Deathrace 3000 (2008)
3. Deathlok (2008)
4. He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (2008)
5. Untitled Philip K. Dick Biopic (2008)
6. Terminator 4 (2008)
7. Fahrenheit 451 (2007)
8. Duke Nukem Forever (2007) (VG)
9. Logan's Run (2007)
10. The Giver (2007)
11. The Boy from Out of This World (2007)
12. I'll Believe You (2007)
13. Babylon 5: The Lost Tales - Voices in the Dark (2007) (V)
14. Sanctuary (2007) (TV)
15. 2095 (2007)
16. Highlander: Vengeance (2007) (V)
17. Intergalactic Combat (2007)
18. Próxima (2007)
19. The Rapture (2007) (V)
20. Gutlump (2007) (V)
21. Freezer Burn (2007)
22. Human Nature (2007)
http://www.imdb.com/keyword/sci-fi/?sort=date
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'A Canticle for Liebowitz' by Walter Miller. While some might object to the religious overtones, the characters are very richly drawn.
I've always loved the title.

Johnny Depp is too thin to be Dirk Gently.
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Dragonriders of Pern (2008)

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Anne McCaffrey's best-selling and long-running SF book series The Dragonriders of Pern will be adapted for the big screen by Canadian production company Copperheart Entertainment, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Copperheart, which was behind the 2005 Oscar-winning animated short Ryan, has optioned the 19-book series, which began with Dragonflight in 1968. The books are best known for having humans ride dragons with which they telepathically bond. With Dragonflight, McCaffrey became the first woman ever to win a Hugo Award for fiction, and she is one of the 2006 inductees into the Science Fiction Hall of Fame.

Copperheart, run by Steve Hoban, also has produced the Imax 3-D movie Cyberworld.

Pern nearly came to TV in a 2001 series for The WB from Battlestar Galactica creator Ronald D. Moore, but the network pulled the plug on the pilot after Moore refused to make changes to the Pern mythos that he thought would harm its integrity.

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I'll second The Mote in God's Eye, and Ringworld et.al. as a short miniseries, and The Forever War.

I've always thought Miller's "A Canticle for Leibowitz" would be great if it was done sort of like The Name of the Rose.

Clement's Mission of Gravity would be interesting, but I don't think viewers could relate to such alien looking main characters.
Poul Anderson's Tau Zero might be interesting
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Johnny Depp is too thin to be Dirk Gently.
Wasn't Dirk Gently modelled on Stephen Fry?
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Let me also second "Canticle". In the right hands, it could be truly magnificent...
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yuzuha mentioned 'Tau Zero', and I wish I had thought of it. Granted that cyclic universes seem to be ruled out, who really cares if the story is good? As Ted Sturgeon wrote, to hell with the science if it isn't good fiction.

The only problem I can think of is that much of the power in Poul Anderson's best stories comes from his writing in what I call the High Style: a slightly archaic use of words and phrasing that give some passages almost Biblical overtones. Near the climax of Tau Zero he wrote, for instance:

As far as humanity was concerned, or the most swiftly computing and reacting of machines, she fought a hurricane-but such a hurricane as had not been known since last the stars were melted together and hammered afresh.


I think A Canticle for Liebowitz could be adapted extremely well, given a good screenwriter (offers quick prayer, crosses self). Just to see and hear Abbot Zerchi's admonition to the group leaving on the starship before Armageddon would be worth it:

“Remember this Earth. Never forget her, but–never come back....If you ever come back you might meet the Archangel at the east end of earth, guarding her passes with a sword of flame...”
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Never read Canticle, but looking at it on Wikipedia, I don't think it would be well suited for cinema. A television miniseries would be more appropriate, especially since it is effectively three separate but linked narratives.
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WarGames, anyone? Actually, as a kid oh so long ago, I liked that movie.

How about David Brin's Startide Rising, but without making it into a Seaquest DSV-type laugh fest?

Vonnegut's Player Piano could make a good movie... or Galapagos. There are a lot of great colorful characters in most of his novels, and there are a lot of character actors working today that would fit the parts. An enterprising director/producer/script-writer could use the recurring characters and themes in Vonnegut's novels to make a series of films. Kurt's still alive, of course, and who knows if he'd be amenable to such a thing.
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Vonnegut's Player Piano could make a good movie... or Galapagos. There are a lot of great colorful characters in most of his novels. An enterprising director/producer/script-writer could use Vonnegut's recurring characters and themes to make a series of films.
I quite liked the Slaughter House V adaptation.

Oh & I watched Wargames yet again not so long ago & still enjoyed it for what it was.
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I usually just say "Here go again" when I hear Hollywood is going to abuse another of my favorite books. But I would like to see someone try tackling Jack Chalker's Well World books.
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