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That reminds me of something from one of my "novels" (actually stories I came up with but which will never really be written, nevermind published). A population secretly developed surface-to-space missiles, knowing that they could and would be shot down on launch by orbiting weapon satellites. But they built a bunch and launched them together, in swarms. Each cluster's outermost missiles were indeed shot down, but having them go first protected the ones in the middle of the group because they'd just have to be hit later in the order, and it took long enough for the inner ones to reach escape velocity & altitude, drop their engines, and coast away past the satellite network on inertia alone, thus creating no emissions to alert the satellite network to their existence. Drifting cold on the trajectory they'd been given before dropping their engines, they then completed a slingshot maneuver around the moon and came back in to strike the satellites from above/behind a few days later, using only minor little lateral thrusts for final guidance.
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I was always impressed with the idea of the "stasis field" put forth in The Forever War, which not only set an absolute speed limit of so-many meters per second, but which neutralized all electromagnetic activity. In the novel, this protects the soldiers inside from laser fire, bombs, and missiles, but forces hand-to-hand combat.
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my favorite tactic is when they sit nose to nose with the enemy ship, and the captain orders the deflector dish to be energized..
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My favorite is from one of Brin's Uplift books, where the dolphin ship dumps most of its water in the path of the pursuing ships,
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Novaderrik's and Romanus' examples break known physics.
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To make it clear, I want to stick to known physics. Otherwise, the most creative tactic is "hypometric weapons" from Reynold's Absolution Gap -- your enemies (or parts of your enemies, if you are feeling "creative") simply disappear. Indistinguishable from magic. And when Inhibitors adapted, hypometric weapons "simply stopped working against them". Bigger magic.
Although Absolution Gap had some creative tactics within realm of possible. Such as what happens when two relativistic starships are travelling from one star to another at same speed, one few light-hours ahead of the other? Keep in mind that "throw ball bearings in the path of pursuer" is not particularly effective because ball bearings will retain velocity and just keep on alongside the lead ship. Anything you care to throw from either ship to the other must be accelerated, and thus can not be completely invisible.
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How big are these ships? You have a ship that is big enough to have a railgun powerful enough to accelerate to 100kps, is that standard? How did they hide the reaction of the firing? (the chinese ship would change course) |
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I keep doing that. Thanks for the correction. http://www.cordwainer-smith.com/rediscovery.htm |
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I'm still waiting to hear of something cooler than Han Solo clamping onto the backside of a star destroyer.
![]() In the real physics category, Europa Strike is pretty cool, but I'm going to have to go with pretty much the entire last chapter of Footfall - especially the gamma ray lasers |
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Wouldn't wrapping them in superconducting materials and a Faraday cage do the trick? Superconductors exclude magnetic fields , they can't pass through.
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Who is going to man them? We have volunteers. My favorite from that battle is definitely the stovepipes.
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Only going into what I seen and read—and not in too much detail at that—I'd have to say the atmosphere jump in Battlestar Galactica and the ending of Ender's Game.
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I've always enjoyed the way the troopers landed in Heinlein's Starship Troopers. (the book! not the movie!)
One of the Firefly episodes is pretty funny where Walsh is piloting the Serenity though a winding canyon to escape, and the pursuers are casually cruising above it. |
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tell that to Captain Picard..
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I don't think measurements were explicitely given, but my impression was on the order of modern naval shis. 100-200 meters, and fusion-powered.
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Ok, this isn't real physics but I just remembered one I liked. An ep. of B5 whereby Sheridan opens up a jump point within a jump gate to take out a pursuing foe. He then justifies the destruction of the gate as stopping everyone plundering ancient artefacts on dead planets around there.
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It was cool for special effects, but not really any more creative than any other case of Jumping in close to a target, launching Vipers, and Jumping away again. My favorite move from that series was in the pilot mini-series, when the Galactica led the civilian fleet up from their hiding place in the gas giant's upper atmosphere, rolled out to show its back (with lots of armor and guns) to the waiting Cylon fleet, and parked there to act as a shield so the civilians could come up behind the battlestar and Jump right out from under its belly one or a few at a time until the last was gone and the battlestar finally Jumped away to join them.
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My favorite tactics were the ones Grand Admiral Thrawn used against the New Republic by observing his opponent's culture before attacking them. Thrawn almost beat the New Republic with a fleet with only 5 Star Destroyers and many smaller ships. He probably would have defeated the Rebels if it wasn't for Thrawn's own bodygaurd that stabbed Thrawn in the heart.(see the Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn). Grand Admiral Thrawn is the best fictional strategist I ever read about (my user is named after him)!!!! |
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It's not the commander, but the entire military doctrine should have been more creative. Such as making personal weapons and other infantry equipment a standard part of any warship inventory. Even if no landing is planned, it may still happen.
Given these limitations, the commander really had no good options.
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I'm interested in knowing what you (any of you) think of Clarke's "Superiority," if you've read that.
For those who are not familiar with this story, you might say it's "The tortoise and the hare," only set in space and with explosions. There are spoilers in the next paragraph, but since there are spoilers a-plenty in this thread, I'm not too terribly concerned with it (and it's not exactly a recent work). The story is told in retrospect from the perspective of the losing commander immediately after the war was finished. The winning side relied simply on continuing to build their space fleet as usual, but the losing side decided to take some chances with more advanced technology, based on theoretical and laboratory work. The reason the 'advanced' side lost is because getting the technology to work in the field was something that required time (to debug), but because they wanted to use the rather seductive new gadgets, they ended up wasting time and resources that would've been better spent on more marginal improvements. You might say there were plenty of creative tactics, but they didn't work as intended. |
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I thought "Superiority" is a good cautionary tale, but the prose and the storyline are nothing to write home about. Like all of early Clarke, for that matter.
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