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Old 27-June-2007, 06:04 AM
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I don't recall a discworld novel with that line about witty remarks and throwing up, sorry.

I do sort-of recall a scene which hits on another cliche - the villian monologue before killing someone important. As I remember it, Vimes and Carrot have the bad guy cornered, the bad guy is trying to explain why all those other people had to die, and Carrot just runs him through. Vimes thought processes are along the line of something he was told as a rookie, always hope you you have a bad guy trying to kill you, because he'll gloat which gives you time. A good man trying to kill you, will just kill you.
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Old 27-June-2007, 07:02 AM
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Perhaps along those same lines, I've not seen a woman who's stupid in any movie made since the late 70s, saving of course the stereotypical dumb blonds and/or Valley Girls.
I'm not begrudging feminist advances in general, just seems a bit hypocritical that men can be and are still portrayed as morons without the movies been booed out of the theaters.
I've seen a lot of women do a great deal of very stupid things in movies. Particularly any movie with a psycho killer in it.

I'd like to think the average Australian woman would be smarter than that in real life.

FEMALE FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT: (Terrified) Is the psycho killer dead?

FEMALE AUSTRALIAN NURSING STUDENT: (Loud snapping noise) He is now.
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Old 27-June-2007, 07:54 AM
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Hmmm... I've read most of Terry's books, but I don't recall either that specific or any other examples. If you give me a rough bibliography, it's really no pain to re-read Pratchett.
It's in Going Postal.

I've seen lots of dumb women in the movies. Then again, I suspect I see more dumb people in the movies than the average movie-goer.
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Old 27-June-2007, 07:55 AM
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FEMALE FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT: (Terrified) Is the psycho killer dead?

FEMALE AUSTRALIAN NURSING STUDENT: (Loud snapping noise) He is now.
Sort of done and Scream and Red Dragon, both of which I really liked.
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Old 27-June-2007, 08:26 AM
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Yeah, except the female Australian nursing student would do it at the start of the movie.
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Old 27-June-2007, 08:28 AM
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I've seen a lot of women do a great deal of very stupid things in movies. Particularly any movie with a psycho killer in it.

I'd like to think the average Australian woman would be smarter than that in real life.

FEMALE FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT: (Terrified) Is the psycho killer dead?

FEMALE AUSTRALIAN NURSING STUDENT: (Loud snapping noise) He is now.
Would you be referring to "Wolf Creek"?
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Old 27-June-2007, 08:33 AM
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Old 27-June-2007, 08:37 AM
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I tell you, that's the last time I see a movie just because it has a meteorite crater in it.
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I think that whenever we've seen that happen, it was during a "combat landing" where the Viper pilot really didn't want to slow down due to the possibility of Raider Induced Acute Death Syndrom. I also remember botched landing in training, but I had assumed they were practicing combat landings.
But once inside the hangar, within the protection of the Galactica's mass, the combat situation is over. There's no need for their inertia to slam them into the hard deck. I'll accept racing into the hangar because of the bad guys behind you, but not skidding to a halt against the far wall.
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Old 27-June-2007, 01:29 PM
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But once inside the hangar, within the protection of the Galactica's mass, the combat situation is over. There's no need for their inertia to slam them into the hard deck. I'll accept racing into the hangar because of the bad guys behind you, but not skidding to a halt against the far wall.
But I've assumed that is exactly what is going on, that they were racing into the hanger, but once inside there was not enough time and distance to come to a gentle stop. If they had their engines going full out, even if the reversed orientation and ran them 100%, I suspect they couldn't come to a stop quickly enough.
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Old 27-June-2007, 02:09 PM
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But I've assumed that is exactly what is going on, that they were racing into the hanger, but once inside there was not enough time and distance to come to a gentle stop. If they had their engines going full out, even if the reversed orientation and ran them 100%, I suspect they couldn't come to a stop quickly enough.
Not to mention Chief Tyrol might have a few words about firing thrusters on full in his hanger
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Old 27-June-2007, 02:11 PM
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But I've assumed that is exactly what is going on, that they were racing into the hanger, but once inside there was not enough time and distance to come to a gentle stop. If they had their engines going full out, even if the reversed orientation and ran them 100%, I suspect they couldn't come to a stop quickly enough.
You may be right. Dunno. I've seen Vipers stop and spin around in the vacuum of space without much fuss; it seems like they could do the same in the vacuum of the hangar just as easily, and without the wear and tear on the landing gear. Who knows? At any rate, to my untrained eye, they look like they are landing on an aircraft carrier, which theoretically should be unnecessary, except perhaps in emergency situations, and so far all filmed Viper landings have been emergency situations.
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I've seen Vipers stop and spin around in the vacuum of space without much fuss; it seems like they could do the same in the vacuum of the hangar just as easily, and without the wear and tear on the landing gear.

I've seen them cut engines and spin around. Which is realistic for a sudden deceleration. How long would it take to go from slowing down to going back? Assuming they were firing full thrust on the way there and started from a relative dead stop, as much time as they had the engines going on the outward trip. If they were not using full thrust to get there, then a more powerful thrust in the opposite direction might slow and reverse them much more quickly.
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Old 27-June-2007, 04:13 PM
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Once in the landing area, they do need to proceed away from the entrance some before slowing, so the next one behind can get in without colliding. But then the deceleration could still be a spin-&-burn instead of the bouncing we see.

If the artificial gravity is on in the landing area, I don't see why they don't use tires. I once thought the way they seem to drift in there (especially after bouncing) was because the gravity's off or very low, and that would explain why they have no tires. But then they'd only be bouncing as hard as their own downward maneuvering thrusters push, and then they could land softer just by using less thrust. (Plus I don't think I've seen the little outpoofs like they usually show with such maneuvers in empty space.)
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Old 27-June-2007, 05:50 PM
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I've seen them cut engines and spin around. Which is realistic for a sudden deceleration. How long would it take to go from slowing down to going back? Assuming they were firing full thrust on the way there and started from a relative dead stop, as much time as they had the engines going on the outward trip. If they were not using full thrust to get there, then a more powerful thrust in the opposite direction might slow and reverse them much more quickly.
If you cut the engines in space you carry on at the same velocity, you don't slow down, you just stop accelerating.

Face it, the people who wrote the landing scenes wrote them to look like old war movies with aircraft carriers.
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Old 27-June-2007, 05:53 PM
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More to the point, how much of the ship is taken up with the handling gear used to get the Vipers back into those little launch tubes and how long does it take? Can ghey launch from the landing deck or do u have to wait until they are put back in the tubes? If so then it's sure going to slow down the turn around between sorties.
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Old 27-June-2007, 05:55 PM
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Another Cliche. the radio or TV is turned on just as the news bulletin gives out some info that is crucial to the plot.
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Old 27-June-2007, 06:15 PM
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Another Cliche. the radio or TV is turned on just as the news bulletin gives out some info that is crucial to the plot.
That depends on the news bulletin. The last few weeks, all I had to do is switch to CNN and get the latest news bulletin on Paris at any time.
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Old 27-June-2007, 06:24 PM
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Another Cliche. the radio or TV is turned on just as the news bulletin gives out some info that is crucial to the plot.
Wonderfully spoofed by Arrested Development.

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Old 27-June-2007, 07:07 PM
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