I recall that too!

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I think that combat landings by Harriers during the Falklands War are different from combat landings by Vipers in BG for several reasons.

1. Harrier landings have to be that way. The internally consistent physics of Harrier landings do not have to be the same as the internally consistent physics of Viper landings (assuming that the physics of Viper landings are internally consistent).

2. Harriers are landing on a carrier at the heart of a well-defended battle group, far away from any known enemy fighters. They have the luxury of taking their time getting onto the deck. Vipers are landing on the one warship in the fleet, hounded all the way by Cylon raiders, with minimal covering fire. Slowing down at all prior to entering the hangar would be suicidal.

3. Harriers on a carrier deck are still exposed to enemy weapons fire. There's really no need for them to put themselves and the carrier at risk by rushing from one hazardous situation (airborne and slow-moving) to another (on deck and stationary). Vipers are entering a covered and armored hangar, where their chances of survival greatly increase. It makes sense for them to get there as quickly as possible, to the limits of the risk/reward calculation.

Not to mention that they all have to be on board before an FTL jump or get left behind. No such analagous situation on an aircraft carrier. A damaged Viper or landing bay can be dealt with after the battle. A slow Viper is toast.

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Whereas the Stones are much closer to folk music of the past; today's classical music is, well, classical music. They are still writing it.

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Excellent parody of this in Futurama - Fry sitting on the couch listening to Baby Got Back (Sir Mix-a-lot) and Leela asking if he was just going to sit around listening to classical music all day.

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i honestly believe that the rock of today will be the classical of tomorrow. some of it just has that timeless "big" quality that gets down into your soul and makes you feel.
who do you think people will be listening to 200 years from now?
Metallica or Shania Twain?

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I hope neither.

In the future you will be able to download yourself into a virtual reality where the band Mastodon will bite your torso and give you a disease.

Serious answer: 200 years from now the young will be listening to what's popular 200 years from now. Their parents will be listening to what they listened to when they were young. Their grandparents will be listening to what they listened to when they were young. And they all will be listening to Mozart, Bach, Puccini, etc.

And the parents will be complaining that their kids' music is "noise", and that the best music was made when they were growing up.

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And the generation that is alive when immortality is invented will have their cruddy music played for eternity.

I know exactly when immortality will be invented/discovered - the day after I die!

Remind me to live at least one day longer than you.

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Honestly, if I were to pick a modern composer whose music I'm dead certain will be listened to in 200 years, it would in fact be John Williams. He's still writing orchestral music, and not all of it for movies and TV. For a start, he wrote the Olympic fanfare, as I recall. I can also see people still performing and listening to Paul McCartney's Liverpool Oratorio, almost more so than I can picture paid public performances of the Beatles' music.

There is no music now that fills the niche chamber music occupied 200 years ago, the niche Tin Pan Alley songs occupied 100 years ago. We don't sit around and sing in groups much anymore; the only people I know who do sit around and sing songs written, in many cases, more than 400 years ago by no-one-knows-who. All we have left in our culture is music intended for performance. If folk music occupies a niche in 200 years, our popular music will be in it, because folk music is always the popular music of the common people.

Mozart, in his day, was sort of a John Williams/Andrew Lloyd Weber mix. He wrote music loved by the masses, but music loved by the masses and intended to be performed for them. The stuff he wrote that was intended to be played instead of listened to, if you know what I mean, was written for the rich--those who could afford harpsichords and pianofortes.

Do I think people will be listening to Metallica and Shania Twain in 200 years? Yes and no. I think it will be possible; I think some people will do it. However, I do not think their names (and I can't remember the full name of anyone in Metallica) will be remembered even as well as people remember Offenbach. And very few non-musicians remember Offenbach.

I will say that it will be easier to listen to the dregs of our modern music than it would be to listen to the dregs of the modern music of 200 years ago. After all, they didn't have recording technology; a lot of their music has probably gotten lost due to apathy and the degradations of time.

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Ain't gonna happen within the current definition of classical music. Not to be confused with a word that needs to be banned for a while: classic.

Classical music has forms, modulations, polyphony, orchestrations, key structures, etc., etc., that three to five chord rock will never approach.

I like rock when I want to listen to something simple, kind of like playing tic-tac-toe with someone, or reading a short article in a magazine. I like classical for the same reasons I enjoy playing chess or reading a well-written novel.

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well, there's some hard rock/heavy metal out there that is downright orchestral in the way it is composed and performed. a lot of the same types of people that would have been writing and performing what we now know as classical music 300 or 400 years ago are dabbling in the world of hard rock today. many of the best metal musicians of today grew up around and got trained in classical music. most of them don't play harpsicords, tho, but they do pop up from time to time..
just give some hard rock a good listen on a good sound system and you will see what i mean. and i don't just mean bands like Dream Theater that were formed in a music school somewhere, either.
listen to "the Call of Ktulu" by Metallica- the original version recorded back in '84 is intense, but the live version with the orchestra on S&M is just brutal and really gets down into your soul- much like some of the songs we know of as "classical" today. another good Metallica song would be "to Live is to Die" from the "...And Justice for All" album. it is like 9 minutes long, and only has 6 vocal lines. it was written and composed by Cliff Burton- their bass player that got killed in a tour bus accident in '86. he mostly listened to Mozart and other classical music, and was classically trained.
and, i'll expand this beyond my preferred area of rock and metal- some of the best Blues music will live on forever, as well.
hmmm.. sorry for diverging away from movie cliches. it's just that "my music" really gets down into my soul in a way that i'm sure a lot of people get into huge orchestral arrangements. i don't know of anyone that really gets into their music like us metal heads.

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