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Old 03-July-2007, 07:18 AM
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The back is nifty for that in terms of material strength. I just forgot to mention it because it gets impractical due to geometry and ergonomics. It's like trying to swing a bat in the right-handed direction using a left-handed grip or in a lefty's direction using a righty's grip... except that in addition to the weakness and awkwardness in terms of how human bodies and lever mechanics and such work, it also involves pointing your own blade at yourself while some force is being applied to it from the outside in a way that would push it right to you. In the brief kenjutsu I studied, it wasn't warned away from for risk of breaking the sword, but it just didn't come up because it isn't a very practical way to use your body and its leverage/dynamics. The spine is tough enough to be used for blocking if the situation to use it that way ever arises, but that situation wouldn't arise often.
The way I learned it, the blade isn't turned to have the cutting edge toward you at all. In response to an overhead strike, the cutting edge is turned to the right by rotating the wrists, then the curve of the back of the blade is used to either guide the other sword down to the tsuba (hand guard), or to flip the other blade clear to the left side, placing your own blade back in a high neutral position for a follow up strike, The cutting edge is never more than 45 to 90 degrees off line from that of an attack. This was called "dashing"

The first iai-do cut I learned was a level horizontal cut to the abdomen with a left crossing step followed by a a hard strike to the back of the opposing blade with the back of your own (while untwisting your feet) to clear the way to take one or both hands off at the wrist. It wasn't the least bit awkward. The first strike itself is made with one hand on the sword, and coming across the body like a right handed batter swinging from a left stance.

I was taught that in a pinch, a direct block with the bottom 1/3 of the blade was acceptable since most of the cuts were made with the remaining 2/3 anyway.

Back on topic, I saw 1408 this weekend, so I thought I'd add a classic. Air vents that are big enough, and strong enough to crawl through.

Also, whenever someone needs wiring for anything, the can pop off a light fixture and pull out about 50 extra feet of the stuff.
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Old 03-July-2007, 08:13 AM
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Nothing ever breaks or fails once it reaches 100% capacity or tolerance or whatever. It can always exceed its maximum limit in an emergancy. And no one ever recalibrates their figures afterwards so they will actually know how much their systems can handle.

(This supports my theory that in Star Trek the Enterprise itself takes steps to ensure the meatbag crew doesn't damage it and sets the tolerances much lower than they actually are.)
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Old 03-July-2007, 08:51 AM
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Q: Oh, the things that happen to our poor equipment.

JB: You have no idea what it's like out there in the field. And that's in addition to the cows. Now, shake a leg!
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Old 03-July-2007, 08:54 AM
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Nothing ever breaks or fails once it reaches 100% capacity or tolerance or whatever. It can always exceed its maximum limit in an emergancy. And no one ever recalibrates their figures afterwards so they will actually know how much their systems can handle.

(This supports my theory that in Star Trek the Enterprise itself takes steps to ensure the meatbag crew doesn't damage it and sets the tolerances much lower than they actually are.)
Of course, it's an engineering safety factor, much like Scotty's estimates of how long a repair/refit/upgrade/juryrig will take.

For the Enterprise, it's usually about 5 (*103).
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Old 03-July-2007, 12:53 PM
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Just to annoyingly go back to the topic of swords, my friend Nigel has trained with one and because he is big and strong he can use a heavier sword than most people and apparently he can gain an advantage by whacking an oponent's sword in a way that threatens to damage it. This puts his opponents at a disadvantage because they have to struggle to protect not only themselves but also their weapon. I realize this is not the same as cutting a sword with a sword, but I imagine this tactic could have resulted in a lot of broken swords in actual historical use.
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Old 03-July-2007, 01:42 PM
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Of course, it's an engineering safety factor, much like Scotty's estimates of how long a repair/refit/upgrade/juryrig will take.
Even more than that, TNG had Scotty telling Jordie to forget the manual because he was the one that wrote it. "Don't worry, they'll hold"
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Old 03-July-2007, 02:10 PM
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Why biogenics "not real"?I suppose that every weapon that kills people but damage properly very slightly is "biogenic" in ST jargon.
Real world examples - neutron bomb, salted bomb, biological weapons.
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Old 03-July-2007, 06:08 PM
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Why biogenics "not real"?I suppose that every weapon that kills people but damage properly very slightly is "biogenic" in ST jargon.
Real world examples - neutron bomb, salted bomb, biological weapons.

The word biogenic literally just means originating in a biological source. Bee stings, snake venom, and the common cold are all biogenic. In ST it was used incorrectly to refer to a planet-threatening variety of illegal weapon.
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Old 03-July-2007, 07:26 PM
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Another cliche:

Automobile engines are always hard to start when the good-guy is pursued by [bad-guy | monster | alien | fierce animal | etc.].
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The word biogenic literally just means originating in a biological source. Bee stings, snake venom, and the common cold are all biogenic. In ST it was used incorrectly to refer to a planet-threatening variety of illegal weapon.
How do you know that in ST it wasn't used correctly to refer to a planet-threatening variety of illegal weapon originating in a biological source?

The "nuclear" in "nuclear weapons," after all, is somewhat more specific than the general definition of "nuclear."
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Old 03-July-2007, 07:43 PM
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In "Apollo" the Enterprise attempted to reverse the polarity of the field holding them.

*Nitpick* Who Mourns For Adonais.
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How do you know that in ST it wasn't used correctly to refer to a planet-threatening variety of illegal weapon originating in a biological source?

The "nuclear" in "nuclear weapons," after all, is somewhat more specific than the general definition of "nuclear."
In DS9 and Voyager, Biogeneic is used several times to refer to weapons based on their effect, not their origin. IIRC on DS9 they referred more than once to components used to "construct" biogenic materials.
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People who are tied or taped up can get out of their bonds. Just who ties and/or tapes these people up, morons?

The hero or villain that knocks the other to the ground, throws them into a shelf filled with glassware and they fall over, it falls on them, etc. etc. etc. and the hero or villain doesn't go over to make sure they're really dead. How lazy do you have to be to not just walk over and take a peak? If they're knocked out but still breathing, crack their neck or hit them with a pipe (they're conveniently located in all dark concrete buildings, along with steel and plastic barrels).

Damsels in distress.

The obligatory showing that good-guy military personnel didn't die due to the actions of the hero. (see Hulk and the newest Die Hard for examples)
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It seems like kids are used a lot as plot devices to turn around cranky or distant characters and make them happier, "warmer", more open and emotionally demonstrative or friendlier... or as stage props to demonstrate how sweet and lovable a character is if you (or another character) hadn't already been told that yet. Fortunately, I don't often watch the kinds of movies that this is done in.

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People who can't unlock their car when being chased by a bad guy, scabbling away at the lock.
I haven't used a key to open a car door for about 15 years!

'beep beep' 'flash flash'
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It seems like kids are used a lot as plot devices to turn around cranky or distant characters and make them happier, "warmer", more open and emotionally demonstrative or friendlier. . .
I could see where this might get on the nerves of someone who is cold, cranky, and distant.
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People who can't unlock their car when being chased by a bad guy, scabbling away at the lock.
I haven't used a key to open a car door for about 15 years!

'beep beep' 'flash flash'
Yes, well, I have. I've never not used a key to open a car door, except inasmuch as I don't bother locking the sort of car I'm able to afford, when I'm able to afford a car.
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The obligatory showing that good-guy military personnel didn't die due to the actions of the hero. (see Hulk and the newest Die Hard for examples)

Going back to the G.I. Joe cartoons of the 80s, where no one ever got killed. Yo, Joe!
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Well, you know, "Don't get killed" is clearly the other half of the battle.
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