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Old 07-June-2007, 04:57 PM
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Or the corellary of the past ideas that seem unbelievable now...
Should I point out that 'corollary' is misspelled? No - I'm better than that. I won't mention it...
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Old 07-June-2007, 05:05 PM
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Should I point out that 'corollary' is misspelled? No - I'm better than that. I won't mention it...
Why not? Wii've been doing this all day to each other.
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Old 07-June-2007, 05:08 PM
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Why not? Wii've been doing this all day to each other.
What do you mean wii sir? Oh, maybe just a wii bit.
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Old 07-June-2007, 06:58 PM
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Mine is when the aliens attack and they are automatically immune to everything that humanity can throw at them.

I have a feeling that the new transformers movie is going to be bad this way. The dont have to do much, but getting a 120mm APFSDS shot into you should at least be inconvienent.
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Old 07-June-2007, 07:04 PM
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Whenever you fly into or out of the solar system you *always* pass Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn.

When the Borg first attacked Earth, I remember some character saying something about the "Mars defense post"
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Mine is when the aliens attack and they are automatically immune to everything that humanity can throw at them.
in my opinion, the point is drive home an idea which is very close to the hearts of most Hollywooders, that "violence never solves anything." See all those tanks and guns that you have? We told you they were worthless, and so they are.
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Old 07-June-2007, 07:42 PM
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From my wife: The James Bond girl who is supposed to be scary deadly, but spends the entire film squeeling lines like "Oh James! Save me!"
(The Spy Who Loved Me is typically the film cited as the worst offender. And she has to admit that this particular cliche seems to have fallen out of use in the last 10 years or so).
Oh, it's not just in James Bond. Personally, I think Vicki Vale was a pretty serious offender, too. Ye Gods, she was supposed to have been a war correspondent. Can you imagine how many deaths she caused?
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Old 07-June-2007, 08:07 PM
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When the Borg first attacked Earth, I remember some character saying something about the "Mars defense post"
I actual think a Mars Defense post would be useful. Sure, you are not always going to be "in the way" of an attacker. But some rough "back of the envelope" calculations suggest that Mars is at most going to be about 60 light-minutes away. And hour to renforce Earth at Warp 1 and about 10 minutes at Warp 2 (assuming speed = Factor^3 * C) seems pretty convient to me.

This is why in Babylon 5, Sheridan's Fleet had to neutralize the EarthForce Fleet at Mars Colony before jumping to Earth. If they hadn't, they would have been counter attacked by the Mars Fleet while they were engaged with the Earth Defenses.
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Old 07-June-2007, 09:49 PM
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That Star Trek reference was actually about a "perimeter", not a post.
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So why not keep the Fleet at Earth and than it doesn't have to take any time to get here?
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There is the dumb father/husband cliche, and all guys think about the same all the time.
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Here's the problem with a "Mars Defense Post" (drawing NTS):



You just always attack from the equivalent of direction "A", each time taking Mars out of the equation.

That's for two dimensions. If the attackers are really advanced, they'll attack from above or below the plane of the Solar System, once again taking Mars out of the equation every time.
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Old 07-June-2007, 11:01 PM
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Here's the problem with a "Mars Defense Post" (drawing NTS):



You just always attack from the equivalent of direction "A", each time taking Mars out of the equation.

That's for two dimensions. If the attackers are really advanced, they'll attack from above or below the plane of the Solar System, once again taking Mars out of the equation every time.
A lot of the stuff in this thread I agree with, but I'm going to nitpick this one since according to memory alpha (no I'm not admitting to knowing of it's existence, I'm not that big a geek, honestly! ) the reference was to a " Mars defence perimeter" which could be acceptable if they were referring to a series of space stations or ships maintained in a sphere with a radius equivalent to approximately Mars orbit, something like that could quickly acquire the name the "Mars defence perimeter" to distinguish it from any other defence perimeters in the system, and would be as good a way of naming it as any (except maybe a numerical system starting from either the edge of the system or from Earth).

Great , I never thought I'd see the day I started apologising for Star Trek. I'm normally too much of a Star Wars fan but I like both.
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So why not keep the Fleet at Earth and than it doesn't have to take any time to get here?
To keep Mars colony from being turned into a smoking crater?
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Here's the problem with a "Mars Defense Post"
Did you read what I said about Mars to Earth in 10 minutes at Warp 2?
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One other cliche that the Bond films tended to be guilty of was the vast, sprawling but secret bad guy lair built under a volcano...or on a desert island, or in the Amazon Forest, or in space...but always somehow constructed, completed and paid for in complete secret, so no government knows of it's existence. Must just be a matter of paying off the right people.
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Old 08-June-2007, 01:14 AM
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A couple more:

Risking everyone on a ship/in a city/in the world on an almost impossible scheme to save one person. The crazy scheme works, and the person who almost killed everybody is congratulated for thier insanity rather than put away somewhere safe.

Along the same lines: Taking time to help an injured person, and talking as if it really matters, when based on the evidence everyone is going to die in about a minute anyway.
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Old 08-June-2007, 03:55 AM
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Whenever you fly into or out of the solar system you *always* pass Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn.
What? You've never taken the scenic route in any of your travels? If you're going somewhere far away, you might as well take in the local sites.

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One other cliche that the Bond films tended to be guilty of was the vast, sprawling but secret bad guy lair built under a volcano...or on a desert island, or in the Amazon Forest, or in space...but always somehow constructed, completed and paid for in complete secret, so no government knows of it's existence. Must just be a matter of paying off the right people.
They're available for rent in the Kim Possible universe.
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One other cliche that the Bond films tended to be guilty of was the vast, sprawling but secret bad guy lair built under a volcano...or on a desert island, or in the Amazon Forest, or in space...but always somehow constructed, completed and paid for in complete secret, so no government knows of it's existence. Must just be a matter of paying off the right people.
Contractors. Ever seen Clerks?
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