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Old 12-June-2007, 11:46 PM
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I know this link has been presented on BAUT (and probably BABB and UT) but I think it is worth another showing:

Top 10 Things I hate About Star Trek

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For cripes sake Giordi, stop reversing the polarity of everything! [snip] Every time the Enterprise comes in for its 10,000 hour checkup, they've gotta go through the whole [darn] ship fixing stuff. "What happened to the toilet in Stateroom 3?" "Well, the plumbing backed up, and Giordi thought he could fix it by reversing the polarity."
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Old 13-June-2007, 12:04 AM
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Sometimes I wish I had the DVDs and the time to go through them and document every occurence of something people claim happened all the time on those shows... from reversing polarities to Wesley saving the ship to Picard breaking the Prime Directive... to show how hopelessly false such claims are by getting the actual numbers.
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Old 13-June-2007, 12:14 AM
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It's not like 3d battling has been around a while... Only since WWI.
In Asimov's "Foundation" humans had flown and fought in space for one hundred thousand years, and they STILL use two-dimensional tactics! And it's not an oversight on Asimov's part -- when Bel Riose wins a major battle by utilizing third dimension, the losing side accuses him of cheating. IOW, Asimov clearly thought of the matter, just his conclusion is flatly incredible.

I think Asimov always regarded vast majority of human beings as collectivist, tradition-bound, and unwilling to experiment. (Socially experiment, that is.) Which is not surprising for a Russian Jew who grew up in Brooklyn during Great Depression. There are few rugged individualists in immigrant tenements, and even fewer during Depression.
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Yeah, but why not just have the shields tied into the sensors, so they'd go on whenever there's danger? Instead of waiting for the Captain to say "Shields up, mister Sulu!" and then additional time while Sulu flips switches. A second to a sec-and-a-half of incoming blazing death!
Well, frankly, just about everything on the ship should be automated. You shouldn't need a navigator or a helmsman at all.
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Sometimes I wish I had the DVDs and the time to go through them and document every occurence of something people claim happened all the time on those shows... from reversing polarities to Wesley saving the ship to Picard breaking the Prime Directive... to show how hopelessly false such claims are by getting the actual numbers.
Yes, but sometimes twice is still too many. Heck, with Wesley saving the ship, once is too many!
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Old 13-June-2007, 02:10 AM
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Well, frankly, just about everything on the ship should be automated. You shouldn't need a navigator or a helmsman at all.
"Oh, no, we're in trouble! Computer, activate Emergency Holographic Wesley!"

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Old 13-June-2007, 02:25 AM
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<<There's the ever-popular "knock out a guard and steal their uniform; it'll fit." Parodied beautifully in the Indiana Jones series, where he essentially goes uniform-shopping when he picks a guard to knock out based on his size after a previous incident of having a uniform turn out to be ridiculously too small.>>

Good one; let's not forget the scene where he pretends to be a Scottish lord.

They also parodied the guard schtick in "Titan A.E.", where the heroes try to fool a guard with a disguise but fail. One of the characters says, "A smart guard; didn't see that one coming."



Ditto too for the "dead black guy syndrome", which--by the way--is even worse in horror movies.
Don't forget the part where Indy knocks out a Nazi Officer, takes his uniform, and gets his Dad's diary autographed by Hitler himself!!!

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Old 13-June-2007, 02:27 AM
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As a metrologist, I find the convenience of movie quantities very amusing.

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Old 13-June-2007, 02:32 AM
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Well, the first two are indeed just wrong. The remainder can be lumped into either hyperbolie or convient rounding.

Real-Life examples abound. For instance if I said the population of the world was 6.5 Billion I don't think people would think I ment there was literally 6,500,000,000 people on the planet.

Or if I said Star Trek was a hundered times better than Star Wars people would either assume A) I was making a general, non-quantifiable opinion B) I was obviously lacking in taste C) I needed to be beat up or D) I was a troll intent on starting a flame war.

(P.S. the answer is "D" )
No, it would be "E" (Star Wars is better).
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Old 13-June-2007, 02:40 AM
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But it is 100 times better!
The only series that it would be "100 times better" would be the Jimmy Neutron series. (I still vote "E")

Even Space Balls caould match that.

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Old 13-June-2007, 02:55 AM
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Well, frankly, just about everything on the ship should be automated. You shouldn't need a navigator or a helmsman at all.
They did that, in the original series, and the computer even raised shields, but there were a few bugs: The Ultimate Computer. The computers in Next Generation were a bit less buggy, and really should have been sufficient, except automation would severely limit character interaction.

The human versus automation thing gets really silly in some anime shows (such as Ghost in the Shell) where androids type at keyboards with special fingers . . .to do the work that could be done by a computer without a humanoid body hooked up with a network cable (or a wireless connection). But that wouldn't look as good on screen.
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Old 13-June-2007, 04:19 AM
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Sometimes I wish I had the DVDs and the time to go through them and document every occurence of something people claim happened all the time on those shows... from reversing polarities to Wesley saving the ship to Picard breaking the Prime Directive... to show how hopelessly false such claims are by getting the actual numbers.
I did a little searching on polarity. In the original series Scotty reversed polarity on a magnetic probe in "That Which Survives." Apparently the alien transporter had reversed the polarity of the entire ship. In "Apollo" the Enterprise attempted to reverse the polarity of the field holding them.

There is a major non-Trek reference. Jon Pertwee (the third Doctor) did a lot of polarity reversing, and his ultimate techie phrase was "Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow." Apparently this was deliberately copied in a ST:TNG episode.

ST:Voyager looks like it was heavily into polarity reversals. They repeatedly reversed shield polarity, among other reversals.

Data reversed the polarity of an "axial servo" in Star Trek Generations.

ST: Enterprise polarized the hull all the time. Reed reversed the polarity of the field coils in "Harbinger."
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Sometimes I wish I had the DVDs and the time to go through them and document every occurence of something people claim happened all the time on those shows... from reversing polarities to Wesley saving the ship to Picard breaking the Prime Directive... to show how hopelessly false such claims are by getting the actual numbers.
There is a set of books caller The Nitpicker's guide to... (They had 2 for TNG, one for DS9, and one for TOS and the movies through 6 or 7) They have little tables throughout that have things like, "The number of things McCoy is not. such as, 'I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer.'" Many of the "it happened all the time" bits are listed along with the episode.

The problem with the shields coming up automatically would be that if a ship with no hostile intent suddenly approached and the Enterprise raised the shields it might be seen as an act of aggression, which would violate the idea that they were primarily on a mission of explorations and peace (most weeks).

A real world example of this was the Soviet Yak-28 Vtol jet. It had a sensor that would monitor the altitude and descent rate. If they indicated the plane was about to crash it would eject the pilot automatically. Reports hinted that this was not a welcome feature among many of the pilots.

I've always wondered why the phasers can't fire until the shields are down to 25%. Also, given the number of miracles the transporter could do (create a clone, raise the dead, act as a stasis chamber for 80 years), how did anyone ever get trapped on the holodeck?
Why did medical teams have to run to an injured crew member?
Why were no enemies ever beamed directly to the brig?

And why didn't phasers have any form of sighting device, and have a firing method (pressing down with the thumb) that will almost guarantee the point of aim will drop when firing?

Side note: In the game City of Heroes you can listen to a police scanner to get a short mission that is not part of the story arc. One of these was to recover the (something like) "Phase Limiting Oscillating Transceiver Device. The mission header was "Find the P.L.O.T. Device. It had a dual meaning due to the number of inside jokes and easter eggs in game.
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The human versus automation thing gets really silly in some anime shows (such as Ghost in the Shell) where androids type at keyboards with special fingers . . .to do the work that could be done by a computer without a humanoid body hooked up with a network cable (or a wireless connection). But that wouldn't look as good on screen.
Hmmm. I take the reason for that--at least in the case of Ghost in the Shell (haven't seen it elsewhere)--is so the androids cannot be back-hacked. Plus the androids do other tasks besides just work at their computer stations.
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Hmmm. I take the reason for that--at least in the case of Ghost in the Shell (haven't seen it elsewhere)--is so the androids cannot be back-hacked. Plus the androids do other tasks besides just work at their computer stations.
Data from Star Trek sat as his station like a normal crewmember and didn't plug in. You wouldn't think, "I'm trying to be human," would be considered an exceptable excuse for inefficient behaviour on board a ship that is often in mortal peril.

And speaking as a non-adroid, I have to admit that people and systems are trying to hack and back hack me all the time. Darn advertising and normal human interaction! I hates it, I hates it all!
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Data from Star Trek sat as his station like a normal crewmember and didn't plug in.
Heck, the Doctor from Voyager was a computer program and he still had to press buttons!
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Hmmm. I take the reason for that--at least in the case of Ghost in the Shell (haven't seen it elsewhere)--is so the androids cannot be back-hacked. Plus the androids do other tasks besides just work at their computer stations.
People were always getting hacked through their cybernetic implants, so I doubt that would work out very well for robots. Anyway, there are more efficient ways of setting up firewalls.
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Well, the first two are indeed just wrong. The remainder can be lumped into either hyperbolie or convient rounding.

Real-Life examples abound. For instance if I said the population of the world was 6.5 Billion I don't think people would think I ment there was literally 6,500,000,000 people on the planet.

Or if I said Star Trek was a hundered times better than Star Wars people would either assume A) I was making a general, non-quantifiable opinion B) I was obviously lacking in taste C) I needed to be beat up or D) I was a troll intent on starting a flame war.

(P.S. the answer is "D" )
Spoken like a true apologist.

But in real life we are rarely if ever able to use such convenient numbers to accurately describe something. After the umpteenth movie/TV show where a critical factor is yet another whole number tied into a standard measurement unit, or another whole number followed by various zeros, one starts to detect a certain disconnect with reality.

Even Obi Wan agreed with that.
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