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Old 20-March-2008, 12:21 AM
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Rapidly getting to be a very annoying cliché, though I've so far only seen it in tv series, is the "main character has to do a voice-over to explain what you should have learned from this weeks episode," which I think got introduced in Sex in the City and seems to be part of more and more series.
For me it's an instant turnoff on a series when they start on it and I basically avoid that series after that no matter how interesting the stories are since I know it'll have me shouting at the screen.
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The one of those that I hate the most is at the end of "Terminator 2". By being tacked on right afterward, it ruins what would have been one of the greatest end-of-movie moments ever: either the Terminator's "view of the world" screen going off, or the cut from that to the Connors above staring into the vat. How in the world could anyone have thought it would be a good idea to go from that to Sarah blathering about philosophy while apparently driving drunk? I'd want to just cut it out, but they even conspired to make THAT not work, by running the music continuously over the visual cuts so that there's no place to pick as the last frame that wouldn't cut the music short abruptly...
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Two cliches that sort of get on my nerves:

The future is depicted either as a grimy nearly hopeless dystopia designed to overload you with misanthropy and guilt for the "sins" of mankind. Or as a sugar-coated cartoon utopia where a few imaginary plot devices have gotten rid of practically all conflict or realistic human nature, and everyone accepts the presented culture without dissent. That anything could exist apart from the two wild extremes seems to escape many authors.
God, yes! Who said an SF future must be utopian OR dystopian??

I MUCH prefer reading about futures which are neither. In Peter Hamilton's, Larry Niven's, Alastair Reynolds' stories set centuries from now there is still social inequality, crime, terrorism, conspiracy theories, religious nuts and airhead heiresses, but most people exist in neither bliss nor despair, mostly just minding their own business. IOW, not too different from present. With certain differences, of course: "Life is a drag, and then you rejuvenate and do it all over again!" is how one Hamilton's character defines middle-class rut.

[Edit]: I realize this thread is about movies, but SF books do this far too often also.
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Rapidly getting to be a very annoying cliché, though I've so far only seen it in tv series, is the "main character has to do a voice-over to explain what you should have learned from this weeks episode," which I think got introduced in Sex in the City and seems to be part of more and more series.
For me it's an instant turnoff on a series when they start on it and I basically avoid that series after that no matter how interesting the stories are since I know it'll have me shouting at the screen.
Doogie Howser, M.D. did that, too, and probably in a very similar fashion. (I've never liked Sex in the City, so I'm not sure.) Doogie kept a journal on his computer, and he typed The Moral of Our StoryTM at the end of every episode. Actually, when he later appeared on Celebrity Poker Showdown, they got him to duplicate the expression he used when he typed the journal, including the little pause before adding the last, seriously significant line. (The actor has a name. I know it. I call him Doogie Howser anyway.)
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Rapidly getting to be a very annoying cliché, though I've so far only seen it in tv series, is the "main character has to do a voice-over to explain what you should have learned from this weeks episode," which I think got introduced in Sex in the City and seems to be part of more and more series.
Since I never watch EVERY episode of any show -- actually, I watch TV shows very rarely, -- I find this "voice-over summary" somewhat useful, and not the least bit annoying.
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Since I never watch EVERY episode of any show -- actually, I watch TV shows very rarely, -- I find this "voice-over summary" somewhat useful, and not the least bit annoying.
I have no problem with "Previously on <showname>." But a voiceover at the end of an episode where the main character reviews the current episode and says something like, "So, It turns out that Bob really had my best interests at heart, so I should really learn to trust my intuition" is really annoying.

Maybe this thing can be traced all the way back to "Mork and Mindy" with Mork addressing the Big Head, or whoever his boss was.
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I have no problem with "Previously on <showname>." But a voiceover at the end of an episode where the main character reviews the current episode and says something like, "So, It turns out that Bob really had my best interests at heart, so I should really learn to trust my intuition" is really annoying.
I see. I misunderstood HenrikOlsen's post. Still, at least on Sex and the City the "episode end voice-over" somehow seemed appropriate. Probably because Carrie's job is writing a sex column, so every episode ends with a glimpse of her at work. Much like most (I don't think all) episodes of X-Files end with Scully typing a report and doing a voice-over. It's part of her job and a suitable ending. But I can see how it can be annoying without "protagonist at work" context.
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Rachel did it at the end of every episode of Destinos: An Introduction to Spanish. Of course, that's also when she would ask you the review questions to see if you'd paid attention. But hey, it was an educational show.
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Maybe this thing can be traced all the way back to "Mork and Mindy" with Mork addressing the Big Head, or whoever his boss was.
Mork's boss was Orson. And yes, Mork did summarize what he learned about Earth to Orson at the end of every episode.
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Indeed yes. (Did you know he starred in the Broadway revival of Assassins--as Lee Harvey Oswald?)
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Indeed yes. (Did you know he starred in the Broadway revival of Assassins--as Lee Harvey Oswald?)
Really. No, I didn't. That must have been an interesting performance, considering how hard it is for an actor as thoroughly typecast as NPH was to convincingly shed the offending role.

I did hop through (very quickly) his IMDB entry, and I noticed that like many actors unwillingly glued to a role, much of his work after DH was in voice. Unlike Mark Hamill, I don't think I've heard very much of his work, though.
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Old 20-March-2008, 08:27 PM
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Really. No, I didn't. That must have been an interesting performance, considering how hard it is for an actor as thoroughly typecast as NPH was to convincingly shed the offending role.
I desperately, desperately want to see it, and I hope Great Performances or somebody filmed it.

But yeah, there's a lot of typecasting, and some of that bothers me. It's almost worse when it seems to be voluntary.
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Maybe this thing can be traced all the way back to "Mork and Mindy" with Mork addressing the Big Head, or whoever his boss was.
The Big Head was, I think, from Third Rock From The Sun (Mork & Mindy with an ensemble cast). Played by real-life big-head William Shatner.
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That was the Big Giant Head, actually.

In one episode, the guy who never opens his eyes and occasionally turns into an antenna for receiving messages from home actually finished a message with "And remember: when you think of Giant Heads, think of the Big Giant Head." I could almost hear the "(R)" and "(TM)" symbols.
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