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Old 15-June-2007, 05:11 AM
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yeah, he thought it was full of gas. he was more than a little angry when he saw the sand coming out..
BTW, that final chase/crash scene in The Road Warrior was one horrific scene. I remember reading that that scene was one of the most dangerous ever filmed.
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Old 15-June-2007, 05:21 AM
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In addition to racking the slide on an auto-loader, there is the pump shotgun version were they keep pumping the shotgun without ejecting a shell.
I think these guns must come with a lot of empty spaces in their magazines and they have to be pumped now and then for no aparent reason to get rid of them.
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Old 15-June-2007, 05:37 AM
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I think these guns must come with a lot of empty spaces in their magazines and they have to be pumped now and then for no aparent reason to get rid of them.
Only when threatening someone, or for dramatic reasons just before a gunfight or when anyone says, "Now it's personal."
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Old 15-June-2007, 05:41 AM
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The guns can tell. That's why bad guys guns miss all the time. The guns make them miss so they'll have a shot at appearing in the sequal.

I also have a theory that James Bond is actually indestructable and he only occaisonally allows himself to get knocked out to advance the plot.
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Old 15-June-2007, 09:06 AM
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A role playing game I looked at briefly many years ago had rules for "Cinematic" campaigns. One was Bullet Proof Nudity. The fewer clothes worn by the hero, the higher his armor rating went. Another was the requirement for all villains to be graduates of the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksman Academy. This ensured that at no time will any enemy ever hit the hero with the first shot.

A film example of this is Behind Enemy Lines. The enemy sniper has a rifle with an extendable bipod on the front. The Hero is sitting against a light gray concrete dam in his dark green flight suit about 800 yards away. The first shot misses. Cut to the sniper and he's standing, holding the rifle unsupported by anything at all. Then, near the end, the sniper is sneaking through the brush after the hero. When he gets close, he stops, and chambers a round.

I'll add the 3 minute grenade fuse seen in just about any movie (that uses a grenade) except Saving Private Ryan. Die Hard 2 was the worst offender by far on that one.

Oh, and lock picking by wiggling a paper clip in the keyhole for 4 seconds. You need two tools, and the cylinder of the lock still has to turn to open it.
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Old 15-June-2007, 09:43 AM
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[edit]Also, just where do these people find all the evil helicopter pilots? It's expensive to learn to pilot a helicopter. It is a skill that is in demand, and is somewhat rare. So why would these people risk their license, their freedom, and their very lives to do things that will, at the very least get them incarcerated for a long, long time, if not killed outright. Is the pay really that good? Or, is that how they get their jollies? That is a pretty expensive way, and do these situations really come up that often to satisfy that particular itch?

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In the 1970s and 1980s it was always made clear that the evil helicopter pilots flew choppers in Viet Nam and were therefore by definition space cadets.

The evil airmen who operated fixed wing aircraft were always former Puff The Magic Dragon pilots.
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Old 15-June-2007, 10:19 AM
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In the 1970s and 1980s it was always made clear that the evil helicopter pilots flew choppers in Viet Nam and were therefore by definition space cadets.

The evil airmen who operated fixed wing aircraft were always former Puff The Magic Dragon pilots.
In 65-66 when my dad was in Vietnam (as a crew chief on a Huey), it was commonly understood that most helicopter pilots were really frustrated F-4 pilots.
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Oh, and lock picking by wiggling a paper clip in the keyhole for 4 seconds. You need two tools, and the cylinder of the lock still has to turn to open it.
Yeah, I've seen it actually done on a forklift with two pieces of 18 gauge sheet metal.
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Old 15-June-2007, 12:01 PM
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A bad fantasy movie cliche. When dealing with the heroes, the villain/dark lord in his utter contempt will always forgo crushing them outright, but instead will inexplicably choose to deploy his weakest weapons/minions against them first, thus allowing the heroes ample opportunity to build up their strength to the point where they become a bona fide threat.
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Old 15-June-2007, 12:08 PM
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I've done a few with the toothpick and one of the screwdrivers in a Swiss Army Knife. Someone ran out the fire door at work and we didn't have a key to turn off the alarm. I had pick the alarm box open and pull the wires. We were actually able to re-lock the fire door and reset the alarm. That same toothpick was used to set the gap in the points on VW Bug on several occasions. It didn't run well, but it got me home.
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Old 15-June-2007, 12:36 PM
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Agreed. 10x over. Anymore, when I see the first minutes of a movie, I can tell you the rest of the plot. Who's good, who's bad, who will die in the intervening scenes, precisely what we're supposed to think about each character. It's mind-numbingly boring.

How about the following few: The guy who owns a business, especially if it's industrial in nature, is always a ruthless type-A psychopath.

"More evolved". "More highly evolved." "The next stage of evolution". I don't know how many times I keep hearing this gaggy peice of pseudo-science cliche. Especially with all the near-uniformly assumed characteristics of this imaginary state. ESP, telekinesis, obnoxious PC attitudes, arrogant judgementalism towards the rest of mankind for percieved "failings", ect.

Similar portrayals of alien contact - they're either evil cardboard invaders, or they're supposedly benevolent demigods who are nevertheless given implied permission to destroy mankind for it's percieved "failings" (a violent nature, ironically, being among them), or at least issue absurd judgements from on high.
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Old 15-June-2007, 12:47 PM
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The noble savage is another waay over-done cliche. The "noble savages" are never more than 1-dimensional props in a morality play, juxtapositions for the perceived failings of civilization. They never seem to have individuality, or motives of their own, or failings, or any difficulty from the brutally hard circumstances that inevitably accompany a lack of civilization.

I suppose an earlier era in moviemaking had it's inverse cliche- the evil barbarian, with similar conditions applying.

That's one thing I sort of liked about Mark Twain's "Indian Joe". He may have been a villian, but he was a <i>human</i> villian, not a morality play villian. He had an actual background, actual motives, ect. It seems a lot more real to me.
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Old 15-June-2007, 01:37 PM
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<<BTW, that final chase/crash scene in The Road Warrior was one horrific scene. I remember reading that that scene was one of the most dangerous ever filmed.>>

Yes...but what a result!

Road Warrior is still, IMO, by far the best of the three movies. Thunderdome only aspired to be like its predecessor.
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Similar portrayals of alien contact - they're either evil cardboard invaders, or they're supposedly benevolent demigods who are nevertheless given implied permission to destroy mankind for it's percieved "failings" (a violent nature, ironically, being among them), or at least issue absurd judgements from on high.
Except in "Morons from Outer Space". - Where the aliens suggest on their planet they do not have to haul around clumsy things like typwriters because they have invented this thing called a pen.


Why has become so fashionable for both heroes and villains to fight by throwing each other against walls or through windows - it you want finish someone off and you have not got a gun/sword/knife/etc then find something to hit them with - walls and windows make lousy weapons compared to rocks/iron bars/heavy chunks of wood and so on. Hitting someone with an improvised club is bound to deliver higher kinetic energy than you can obtain by trying to throw a person against a wall.
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Old 15-June-2007, 02:05 PM
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Another one relating to guns: When loading a revolver, why is it always necessary to spin the cylinder? And why does the cylinder always make a "zzzzzz" sound when it's spun? I've never heard a cylinder make a sound on a real revolver when it's spun.

Here's one I hate with computers: The "boop boop BEEP" sound effects that they always have when someone is typing on a computer keyboard. Movies could probably get away with this in the very early eighties before most people used computers, but today it's just stupid. Closely related to this is the "zoom in" sound effect that always accompanies image processing software sequences. I use image manipulation software all the time, and when I zoom in on something or crop an area, Photoshop stays dead silent. Maybe I need to upgrade to Photoshop CSI or something. Closely related to this is the ability to enhance low quality security camera footage to the point where someone can zoom in on a reflection on a doorknob on the opposite side of a large room to see the face of someone standing out of view of the camera. Sorry, but pixels just ain't that flexible in real life.

Another cliche that bothers me to no end is when people are running from a badguy/monster/evil government agency/whatever, and they run into a building and run UPSTAIRS. Just where the heck do they think they're going to go? Once they run out of more "up," that's it. It's just dumb.
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Old 15-June-2007, 02:18 PM
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Getting up high seems to be a reflex defensive thing.

How about knives or swords that make a metallic 'Kchang' sound when the light catches them?
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Old 15-June-2007, 02:31 PM
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Or car tyres that squeal on a dirt road
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