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Old 03-July-2007, 01:19 PM
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Wait a little while and the fragments will spread out until you are much more likely to be hit by a naturally occuring chunk of rock. Of course if you are blowing up things the size of the death star or are in orbit around a planet, yeah, that could cause some problems, like being shot by your own bullets after they do an orbit or three.
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Old 03-July-2007, 02:50 PM
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Wait a little while and the fragments will spread out until you are much more likely to be hit by a naturally occuring chunk of rock. Of course if you are blowing up things the size of the death star or are in orbit around a planet, yeah, that could cause some problems, like being shot by your own bullets after they do an orbit or three.
If these bullets have an escape velocity...
And I will use nothing less than relativistic hi calibre bullets and big salted hydrogen and neutron bombs against the target of the size of Death Star.
That will evaporate it.
The best strategy would probably be piercing and exposing the places where are the crew.
Air will leak, shoot a few salted and neutron bombs + some H bombs and relativistic projectiles and goodbye DS....
Then hijack the control system, navigate it into the sun at hyperspeed >:-)
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Old 03-July-2007, 06:07 PM
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The 100-yard-nuke battle convention isn't universally observered. Take a look at the Narn vs Shadow battle in the 2nd Series Babylon 5 episode 'The Long Twighlight Struggle'. The (huge) Shadow ships are little more than dots when we see things from the perspective on the Narn fleet.
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If these bullets have an escape velocity...
And I will use nothing less than relativistic hi calibre bullets and big salted hydrogen and neutron bombs against the target of the size of Death Star.
That will evaporate it.
Why salted? Salted bombs do not have any more explosive power than thermonuclear, just more radioactive debris, which is the opposite of what you'd want near a planet.

And enough energy to totally vaporize the Death Star would also do far more damage to any nearby planet than any mere orbital debris.


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That's true of any manned space vessel. Explosions are just for the viewers at home!

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Then hijack the control system, navigate it into the sun at hyperspeed >:-)
I would say, navigate it into someone else's Sun. Or better yet, into a black hole.
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Old 03-July-2007, 07:15 PM
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Don't be crass. Spaceships are expensive. If you've managed to kill the crew, then you'll want to board the ship and claim it for yourself.
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Don't be crass. Spaceships are expensive. If you've managed to kill the crew, then you'll want to board the ship and claim it for yourself.
The crass is always greener on the other side.
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Don't be crass. Spaceships are expensive. If you've managed to kill the crew, then you'll want to board the ship and claim it for yourself.
With something the size of the DS, the Rebels could never be sure they got the whole crew, so rather than waste lives in room-to-room fighting, they took it out of the conflict entirely. A sound tactical decision, as it forced the Empire to divert resources into rebuilding. Also, the Rebs might not have had enough trained personnel to man the thing.

If they had captured the DS, the Empire might have recaptured it ; then they'd have the Death Star and all the Rebel personnel on board. Bad scenario.
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Why salted? Salted bombs do not have any more explosive power than thermonuclear, just more radioactive debris, which is the opposite of what you'd want near a planet.

And enough energy to totally vaporize the Death Star would also do far more damage to any nearby planet than any mere orbital debris.


That's true of any manned space vessel. Explosions are just for the viewers at home!



I would say, navigate it into someone else's Sun. Or better yet, into a black hole.
Ok I did not mean it that way.
I mean, just evaporate the DANGEROUS DEBRIS with the H bombs.
Cobalt and neutron bombs will flood that ship with deadly radiation while leaving that ship relatively undamaged.
Then hijack it and hurl into the local sun (and flee from it ofc) to ensure no repair.
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Old 03-July-2007, 10:59 PM
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Don't be crass. Spaceships are expensive. If you've managed to kill the crew, then you'll want to board the ship and claim it for yourself.
No.I will not copy evil.
DS is a hated monster for rebel.
And I will not pilot a ship that was used to kill 10 billion innocent eople.
Have some human morale man.
HURL IT INTO SUN!
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With something the size of the DS, the Rebels could never be sure they got the whole crew, so rather than waste lives in room-to-room fighting, they took it out of the conflict entirely. A sound tactical decision, as it forced the Empire to divert resources into rebuilding. Also, the Rebs might not have had enough trained personnel to man the thing.

If they had captured the DS, the Empire might have recaptured it ; then they'd have the Death Star and all the Rebel personnel on board. Bad scenario.
I agree.
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No.I will not copy evil.
DS is a hated monster for rebel.
And I will not pilot a ship that was used to kill 10 billion innocent eople.
Have some human morale man.
HURL IT INTO SUN!

It's an object, nothing more. That it was used badly means nothing. It's a thing. The people who used it for murder are evil and monsters. An inanimate object is not.
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Old 03-July-2007, 11:13 PM
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In the Star Wars universe, where animate beings can embody Pure Good or Pure Evil, you never know.

But I hadn't realised you guys were talking about SW only. We already know how that story ends.
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In the Star Wars universe, where people can embody Pure Good or Pure Evil, you never know.
Right, I forgot about Yoda's "haunted" cave.


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Just using it as an example of unrealistic space warfare.
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It's an object, nothing more. That it was used badly means nothing. It's a thing. The people who used it for murder are evil and monsters. An inanimate object is not.
Oh, ok, but It just sounded to me to be like making a bakery from Autzwitz death camp.
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Oh, ok, but It just sounded to me to be like making a bakery from Autzwitz death camp.

Nope. It's a weapon. No different from the X-Wing fighters used by the Rebels; one could point them at legitimate enemies, or at innocent civilians. Either way, blame the pilot, not the ship.
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Oh, ok, but It just sounded to me to be like making a bakery from Autzwitz death camp.
Let's put it this way, if the Allies in World War two captured Peenemunde intact with all its rockets before the war's end, wouldn't they have used them against the Nazis instead of saying, "They bombed London, rockets are evil, destroy them all!"

ADDED: And in fact the Allied powers went ahead and hired the scientists who worked there after the war. Which is how we got to the Moon, and so forth.

Second edit: Who knows, giant superlasers could also somehow be adapted for peaceful purposes after Star Wars.
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Old 04-July-2007, 05:31 AM
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A realistic deep-space battle might involve hundreds or thousands of stealthed semi-autonomous drones, some spread out over a vast region of space in multiple concentric defensive shells, and the offensive mobile weapons spread even further.
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Second edit: Who knows, giant superlasers could also somehow be adapted for peaceful purposes after Star Wars.
I believe in post-Return of the Jedi Imperial proganda, the Death Star was classified as an industrial mining platform, that the Rebels (boo, hiss) had taken and were threatening to use on inhabited planets (oh the horror!) when the Emporer sacrificed himself to destroy it (oh, that great man, he will be missed).

Or some such load of garbage.

As for weapons being a danger after the battle, the best exmaple I can think of is the space battles from (I think it was) a series by Elizabeth Moon (Winning Colours, first book? been a while). The ships had tactical FTL, so they jumped around the battle field a lot, and the tactical department was always working over time to track every single weapon fired by all players so that they wouldn't jump into their own fire.
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Old 05-July-2007, 09:28 PM
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Most TV and film portrayals of "space battles" are, IMO, not meant to be realistic, they're meant to invoke a response in the viewer. And using familiar imagery is a way to do so.

Of course, most of the time it's due to ignorant writers and directors, and not intentionally meant to do anything but "look cool." But so be it.
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