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Old 26-September-2002, 04:13 AM
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What sort of credits? Works of fiction often don't have bibliographies. Does he list any such sources?
I do not know about Titan, but in Poul Anderson's book, Starfarers, Anderson gives acknowledgements in the front of the book. So it is not unheard of a fiction book to give credits to those who helped the writer with the basic ideas. Of course there are other times when this does not happen, unfortunatly.
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Old 26-September-2002, 04:27 AM
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What sort of credits? Works of fiction often don't have bibliographies. Does he list any such sources?
Well, with "Moonseed", he referred readers to the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, and thanked people who provided assistance with aspects of the science. Each of the fairly way-out bits of science is usually credited to someone.
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Old 26-September-2002, 05:10 AM
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A.C. Clarke very often adds long afterwards to discuss the points he wrote about in his novels, and acknowledges the sources.
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Ok then... But why refit Discovery? If I were prepping a mission to the outer system, and had to use "off the shelf" gear, I'm thinking I'd probably go with the newest shuttle, as opposed to the oldest, and heaviest shuttle. Last I checked Discovery can't even make construction runs to Alpha because it's too heavy, they could barely even do crew exchanges with it (I may be wrong, please correct me if I am).
This is all true of Columbia not Discovery which was the third shuttle delivered and does go to the ISS.
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Old 26-September-2002, 10:55 PM
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Ok then... But why refit Discovery? If I were prepping a mission to the outer system, and had to use "off the shelf" gear, I'm thinking I'd probably go with the newest shuttle, as opposed to the oldest, and heaviest shuttle. Last I checked Discovery can't even make construction runs to Alpha because it's too heavy, they could barely even do crew exchanges with it (I may be wrong, please correct me if I am).
This is all true of Columbia not Discovery which was the third shuttle delivered and does go to the ISS.
Thanx! I knew it was one of them.

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Like I said in an earlier posting, the social setting of the book is quite impossible. It has a *rabid* Christian fundamentalist elected President in 2008, who gets re-elected in 2012, and who tries to get the two-term rule overturned. Within this time: he manages to get all the science faculties in American universities closed; some Central American countries open up part of their jungle to allow people to live as hunter-gatherers; early Christian and Aristotelian cosmology becomes the only acceptable view of the universe (crystal spheres); the youth of the USA tunes out even more than they did in the 1960s; the USA releases a genetically modified disease in China which affects only Asian people; China sends an astronaut on a one-way mission to the asteroid belt to blast an asteroid onto an Earth-impacting trajectory (intended to hit the USA); and the Earth's biosphere heads for collapse. All that by 2016!
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More Plagiarism!

Robert Hienlien describes a society exactly like that in his book Revolt in 2100. I'm thinking more and more that I don't need to read this book, because I could read it all elswhere! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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Oh yeah, also stolen from Hienlien is that bit about a weapon that only works on Asians. Read his book "The Day After Tomarrow" (also titled The Sixth Column.
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(Edited because I found more evidence of plagiarism. UGH!)

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Old 27-September-2002, 02:56 AM
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Here's another bit for you.

You may remember that a few years ago a British Airways Boeing 747 flew at night into a volcanic ash cloud over Indonesia which caused all four engines to fail. The jet glided for about 10 minutes before the crew could restart a couple of the engines and land safely. During the crisis, the crew had difficulty convincing Air Traffic Control. They said they'd lost all four engines, but the Controller asked for confirmation that they'd lost engine number four.

Guess what. This incident is recreated in "Moonseed". A four engine jet flies into an ash cloud and loses all four engines. The crew report the loss of all four engines to ATC, who ask for confirmation that they've lost engine number four.
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Baxter does provide credits at the end of his books, but "Titan" makes no mention of Murray and Cox, and "Moonseed" makes no mention of Chaikin.
What sort of credits? Works of fiction often don't have bibliographies. Does he list any such sources?
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<a name="20021003.1:30"> POST 20021003.1:30 aka 2plag2
On 2002-10-01 12:38, HUb' wrote: To? HUb'
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On 2002-09-25 21:11, Peter B wrote:
Baxter does provide credits at the end of his books, but "Titan" makes no mention of Murray and Cox, and "Moonseed" makes no mention of Chaikin.
What sort of credits? Works of fiction often don't have bibliographies. Does he list any such sources?
ANYWAY ? I consider this "PLA", & want to say " Pla's really OK?
{um by this i mean if a string can be found anywhere I upon finding the string{thread} should be able to do with it [WHATEVER] So sure i think LaW especially Copy Law should be rethunk? "punk"
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Old 25-November-2002, 10:43 PM
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Well, on the advice of some friends, I put together a document comparing the passages in Baxter's books with the books I reckon he lifted the passages from.

It's 23 pages long. In other words, Baxter lifted a solid 6 or 7 pages of text from each of these books.

What I'd like to do now is write to the authors of the original text (Andrew Chaikin, and Charles (?) Murray and Catherine (?) Cox) and let them know what I've got.

So I was wondering if anyone might happen to have any ideas on how I might get in contact with them.
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