That might be cool, except I think we're now missing too many of the original actors to do it. I know this sounds messed up, but I never read yesterday's son, just a synopsis. I did read the sequel, return to yesterday though.

That was my reaction when I first heard the time travel angle. Time travel is something that should be used very little as a prop device, if at all.

The sad thing is that I think they could still do good Star Trek, but they keep going back to the stupid idea well. I think a movie or series covering the Romulan war, with things getting pushed back all the way to Earth, could have been very interesting. To be sure, if they went with that idea, they'd probably find a way to mess it up.

I expect to rent it when it comes out on DVD.

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I'll watch when it's on cable. If nothing else is on.

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Sure, hammer them for using time travel again, then suggest a story built around time travel.

I mean, they're already rebuilding the Guardian of Forever, right?

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Time travel has only been used in three out of the ten movies so far, and two of those were even-numbered, so they were quite good.

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They* were okay. Not as good as the Wrath of KHAAAAN! but still not bad.

*Meaning the two even ones.

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"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

I hated Star Trek IV. Star Trek: First Contact was okay, but didn't make a lot of sense, and I didn't like the Borg Queen: Part of what made the Borg so scary is that it was a collective, without individuality, or an individual face. Third movie . . . Star Trek Generations? That was bad.

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Actually, the Borg queen made perfect sense, since the orignal concept for the Borg was to be an insectoid race. Still, the concept of the hive mind and the queen translates well enough into cybernetics.

Every computer needs its CPU.

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The Borg "Queen" isn't an individual, it's a processing system; "I make order out of chaos". The one seen in Generations was literally being built when first shown, then was destroyed at the end of the film; the next two in Voyager were given similar entrances and exits, IIRC. And at the end of the horrendous abomination against nature last episode of Voyager, the then-current version literally fell apart when future-Janeway gave the Borg a virus to disrupt their internal links. She/it was a construct, designed to do a specific job within the collective. With a creepy stalker's personality.

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But the Borg were supposed to never have just one of any construct that does any job: things were either distributed (like command/decisions) or, if they couldn't be completely spread out like that, redundant (like power sources and power distribution).

I understand the rationalization of the Borg Queen, but the point is that they wanted to put a "face" to the Borg so they could interact with them directly for the movie. But, that took away much of what made them such a scary and alien enemy.

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That's true, and that's what was emphasized in their early apearances as what made them so deadly. But in a series (several series) with an ever-changing crew of writers, changes of emphasis and inconsistencies are bound to creep in. The Borg are just one of many ideas that started as a unique, interesting science fiction concept and ended up becoming just another bunch of cliched bad guys.

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If she were the only Borg queen, that is. There's nothing to stop her from being a manifestation of a distributed system herself.

She only had how many incarnations? A single personality distributed to control nodes, the Unimatrix 001 queen being first among equals, but not so critical that she were irreplacable.

The Borg in their original presentation were terrifying in their power and alienness, but unless something was introduced to make them more threatening, they'd eventually end up a speed bump under the wheels of Federation progress. If anything, their appearances were starting to feel less threatening to the point where Lilly tagged them perfectly in First Contact. Cyberzombies. They were really starting to look and act like nanotech driven variations on George Romero's vision. Terrifying, until you understand how to stave them off, then they're merely annoying. The queen gave them a new element, the voudoun priestess raising the dead for her army. Something about them that could innovate instead of merely adapting, a conductor to raise to a symphony an otherwise one note song.

They needed something, a queen in a hive is just as good as anything else they've come up with recently.

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The scene in Unimatrix Zero where the Susanna Thompson BQ attempts to lure a child back into the Collective was very creepy, eerily reminescent of a pedophile... "It will be fun. We will all be friends together".

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"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

The Borg started falling apart as the ultimate Star Trek villain when they decided to use Picard as a "mouthpiece".
Suddenly a species that had no interest at all in biological organisms in their first appearence was interested in assimilating people as well as technology. The original ideas changed, and the borg began their descent to "just another villain" status.

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And the lowest point of Borg de-fanging came in the rotten treatment they recieved in Enterprise. If they knew they were coming back then, why didn't they know they were coming in TNG? And the totally unnecessary quip at the end from Bakula-- "In two hundred years they'll be here" HOW DOES HE KNOW???? There was nothing in the episode about where they originate or how fast they travel! Curse you Berman! RRRaaaaarrrgh!

(Wipes foam off mouth) I feel much better now.

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"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Oh I know, I thought Voyager was really the tipping point for the borg. A single small fed ship surviving a journey through the heart of borg territory? Give me a break, the enterprise was literally begging for mercy in just a couple of hours. I thought that was bad, but then to see the borg lose to some 22nd century pre-federation newbies who know nothing about the borg, let alone borg from 200 years in the future? The only way that episode should have ended is with an assimilated earth lol.

Although the last season of DS9 was utter dreck, it was Voyager as a whole that really thrust the whole Star Trek contiuum into high orbit around Planet Shark. The numbers tell the tale; 1st episode of Voyager, 27 million viewers. Last ep, 10.5 million. To alienate the majority of Star Trek fans, the most fanatically dedicated fans of a franchise ever, takes real talent. Voyager killed ST, Enterprise just propped up the body for a few years of "Weekend at Roddie's".

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
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Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort