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As must be obvious, I've come to the conclusion that Enterprise is a dead duck and should be cancelled as early as possible. To revive the Star Trek franchise, an entirely new approach and plotline is needed. This, of course means we would have to fire the entire existing team of scriptwriters and replace them with people who knew how to write and supervise them strictly (a team of BABB members having that responsibility). B&B would, of course, be cast into the outer darkness.
The new series would be Star Trek - Liberation based on the collapse of the Evil Federation. Voyager (where the continuity problems are appalling) can be dismissed as a side-story with the characters in the new series making sarcastic remarks about how the Voyager logs were proving to have been falsified and most Voyager stories were Federation propaganda. The end of DS9 and the defeat of the Dominion would be the bounce-off point for the new series. It would have Star Fleet as the unequivocal bad guys and the rebels the heroes - think "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" Federation-wide. A group of veterans who have all lost their families as a result of Star Fleet's policies have their eyes opened and realize that Star Fleet Must Go. These veterans and the Ferenghi are the good guys and eventually depose the evil Federation and reveal its loathsome character. It could start off with low humor as the iconoclastic rebels run rings around the bungling incompetents of Star Trek We can have the hypothetical group of veterans meeting up with Maquis survivors to form the "Resistance". It would be fun to show existing characters in a new and much less favorable light. Janeway becomes an overbearing and arrogant virago, Picard a naive and bumbling bureaucrat, Sisco (who wasn't really carried away by the Prophets but "investigated" by Star Fleet security) is shown as a pompous and posturing windbag. As one major story arc we have the growing alliance with the Ferenghi (who we can also make over into a much more rounded and multi-dimensional characters representing the voice of sanity and common-sense). It can turn out that the Ferenghi have finally lost patience with Hoo-mans and have started a quiet economic war with the Federation. The dramatic possibilities are endless, particularly since the series will be looking at the stories through a totally different set of eyes. The rebellion has to start and recruit (and, of course, prevent itself being infiltrated by Starfleet security). We can then learn that all of our favorite shows and episodes were edited by some of the federation propagandaists to make them look more heroic. We can then get the other side of the story in this series. Heck this can be the first season or so of the series. Recreate the old episodes of the other series and tell the "real" story of them. The stories can be told in flashback as people join the growing resistance and the reasons behind their actions are shown. This allows us to eliminate some of the continuity and Bad Science/Bad Astronomy in them. We can hire a few Vietcong Veterans to give technical advice on running insurgencies. In the Star Trek - Liberation, by the way, central characters should get killed off regularly. Nobody watching the start of a show should be able to guarantee that their favorite character will be alive at the end. Also, the resistance don't always win; sometimes they get their clocks cleaned. That happened in MI5/Spooks this week; they spent an episode building a character up then killed her horribly at the end. After the first series (which is essential comedic in its approach) the episodes get darker and darker as the reality of Federation despotism and oppression become more apparent. Throughout this period we see the Romulans, Klingons etc appearing but their actions and behavior now seen in a totally different context. The series climax is the outbreak of a l a major civil war that ends with the overthrow of Star Fleet and the federation and the restoration of freedom etc to the suffering humanity of the galaxy. (This text edited to correct some spelling mistakes. Also, I forgot to include my appreciation to Humphrey, without whose help, I would not have been able to assemble these chaotic thoughts into a readable text) |
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Sounds almost like Blake's 7 meets Star Trek, although hopefully with a less bleak outcome. I'd watch it, but you'd be guarenteed to **** off 90% of the regular Trek fanbase that hasn't already been driven off by Enterprise.
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This derivation of military capability from economic and trading power should sound familiar. Its fundamentally how the US does business. Allowing for the painfully obvious prejudices of the Star Trek scriptwriters, it seems probable that the Ferengi are, in fact an attempted parody of Americans. (Ferengi is an indian word for westerners in general and Americans in particular; it comes from the same root as the Thai Farang). Another interesting insight is this. Quote:
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In fact, by the time of DS9, the scriptwriters treatment of the Ferengi has drifted away from the anti-American bias of TNG and is much closer to the Nazi propaganda treatment of jews. That is a shift that could well be used in the proposed new series as an example of the corruption of Star Fleet. |
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Gene Roddenberry originally envisioned the Ferengi as the Federation's primary foe, as part of the sea change in Star Trek's underlying theme, which was being revised from the 1960's Cold War to a left-wing liberal tirade against consumerism and capitalism. The Ferengi were not simply greedy; they were powerful, mysterious, and dangerous. Their appearance may have been odd, but these were clearly not people to be trifled with. Picard once recounted the story of how he lost his previous command, after his ship was reduced to a flaming wreck by a Ferengi warship. But in every appearance, the Ferengi made reference to a profit motive, and that was more than enough to plant the brain bug. By the time the Ferengi showed up on DS9, their interest in profit had grown to encompass their entire culture. They were suddenly interested in nothing but the accumulation of wealth, and the writers' inability to conceive of a culture as anything more than a one-note joke meant that any non-financial elements of their society vanished without a trace. This brain bug continued to grow. Not only was greed now the only defining characteristic of Ferengi society, but the writers even made it the Ferengi religion! Instead of the Ten Commandments, the Ferengi had the "Rules of Acquisition", with which the viewers were bludgeoned with constant reminders of Ferengi greed. Instead of "astral plane" or "holy ghost", they had the "Great Material Continuum". As Michael Wong points out, "another society had been transformed into a farcical one-note caricature." The Ferengi need to be redrawn to restore their original status as a powerful, mysterious and dangerous opponent. Again, we can use the plot device of Federation propaganda to eliminate the products of the "brain bug" and, instead, present the Ferengi as the reasoned voice of laissez faire capitalism. The nonsense about the Grand Negus introducing welfare-state socialism into ferengi society can be eliminated the same way (perhaps simply by a character remarking "Oh that con-man, he got away with his impersonations for a while but the police got him in the end. Still, it doesn't take much to fool those hoo-mans.") |
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Instead, we got Voyager. The collapse of the Federation and Star Fleet seems to be a recurring wish among hardcore fans, but it'll only happen if a black hole passes through Earth's atmosphere and swallows Berman and Braga. And probably the rest of Paramount, too. |
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This all asumes that holding 'US' values is a good thing. The Ferengi portrayed as 'capitalists' that hold greed above all else is a good parody of the US as I see it today. The only thing in it's entire history that the US has done that has not been motivated by greed was the Apollo program, and that was motivated by chest banging bravado. When asked by people what was the good of Apollo, we hear answers like 'to beat the Russians', or 'it created such and such spin offs'. We never hear that the US went to the Moon simply because it was a great thing to do, justifying itself on the achievement alone. To believe that the US way of life is the be all and end all is what is most damaging to this planet at this moment in time. How about let's all start doing things simply because they are good.
With this rant in mind, I would like to point out that Enterprise, as well at ST:TNG, DS9 and Voyager would all serve as a better vision for the future than the situation proposed above. Do we really want conflict to determine our way of life in the future?
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Well, while it's fun to "Down in Flames" the Star Trek universe, it might be too late to do so. TNG has replicators and holodecks, and TOS had sentient androids. There is no real reason for anyone in the federation to do a lick of work--they could spend all their time in a holofantasy.
Replicators can reproduce matter down to proteins (if they couldn't, replicated food would be either non-nutritious or poisonous). Replicators can reproduce phasers. There's no real reason (other than technology police) why replicators can't reproduce living matter, replicators, holodecks, androids, or starships. Now, maybe the Federation is controlling the technology just so the Federation doesn't degenerate to the point where a visiting delegation from the Duchy of Grand Fenwick can't single-handedly conquer the Federation, but any rebel cause isn't going to feel so constrained. They'll pull the governors off the replicator and start building up their own fleet. But one of the technicians is bound to dup a couple extra holodecks (just to check things out) and *poof* your rebels are off playing badminton with the holofloozies. The Federation now has mind control technology (from The Game); they've probably had it for a while, most likely the holoprojections are filled with subliminal messages (WORK IS GOOD, THINKING IS EVIL, FEMALE ALIENS SHOULD WEAR CATSUITS, THIS IS ONLY A GAME, OBEY AUTHORITY, IT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE FOR ENSIGNS TO BE ON THE SENIOR STAFF). The rebels might choose to edit these; if they leave any in they're sliding down a slippery slope. Maybe it would be better to have everything from the third season of TOS be one of McCoy's cordrazine nightmares. |
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How about a series set far in the future after the Federation has collapsed. We could have a single last Federation starship trying to restablish the old ways and it could star someone WHO WASN'T A PEA-BRAINED EGOTIST WHO SCREWS IT UP AFTER TWO BRILLIANT SEASONS!!!!
Dammit, I miss the pre-coup Andromeda.
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thankls stuart for starting this. It was fun in PM, but many more ideas makle it better.
I love this idea. We can get nitty and gritty. US coverty ops situations and havfe fun with it. We can show what shooting redshorts from the other side of them looks like. IT can be argued that the best of DS9 was the Dominion war. They showed some tactics and the Defiant fighting was just really cool. IF the entire federation and the rebels were to begin a all out ciivl war aginst eachother you can introduce new techology to fight the war and also intoroduce certain concepts. One thing i have just thought of is try to show both sides at the same time. Like every other episode switch off. One episode is the rebellions side of the story, the other is the Starfleets side. Both can slander eachother. Than fans can pic their favorite side and have fun with it. Heck we can even have competitions. For a season long war, paraamount can shoot two endings and the fans can decide who wins those battles. Federation space could be devided up. Soonme the Romulans can enter too on the side of the Rebeks and have a go at the federation too. The federationms faitful allies the Klingons would obviuosly join their side. So not only will it be a civil war, it could turn into a interstellar war vbetween the races of the quadrant. Heck you can have the Borg take advantage of this later on and try an invasion in a large battle. Take over a few sytems and become a new, very fearsome enemy. like they were in TNG. Stuart: you are definitely right that voyager was pure federation propaganda. Just the weakaning of all races against a scout class ship is just stupid. There is no way the Voyager will take down even a borg sphere. Heck in TNG a whole fleet could not take down one cube in Wolf 359 (or somethi9ng like that number). If anyone here mknows someone in paramount i would suggest you give them this page or this idea. One example of a episode from the first season. We go all the way back to a TNG episode. You can pick one where thery battle some big enemy. You can see the entire episode form a maquis or rebbelion leaders eyes. They were on the ship and lost alot of family or a good freind in that battle. Their loss was covered up or not cared about. OR maybe their freind was killed on a away mission to save one of the main castmembers and never given their proper funeral rights. Well they can tell the true stories. Picard cowering in his awayroom. Riker coinstantly telling other to shut up. Troy using hipnosis to make people believe the federation is really good. You can even take ideas form other movies or shows. Have a Terminator scenario where starfleet personell go back in time to kill off a major leader. Sure its been done before, but what hasent? If you want you can have the cliche "romeo and jouliet" episode. Two people on opposite sides of the fence find love. You can have one of these characters (or both) be a main cast member. One day during a battle the significant other is on the opposing ship and killed by this persons own hand. This can rack them with guild for the entire season. Mauybe later on he/she can kill themselves because of the guilt. IT would be dramatic and realistic.
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I think the cast should go back in time and run into the cast of a different series who have also gone back in time (maybe have Archer run into Sisko for example).
Kinda like the episode where DS9 went back to the TOS tribble episode, but this time have the two casts interact. Maybe even have the crews have opposing goals. If either group achieves their goal they save lots of lives in their timeline, but a lot of the other crew will die.
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I for one would hate another plucky rebels against the evil federation/empire.
It's been done to death, Blakes 7 did it the best, Star Wars did it the worst. Why not just put Star Trek gently to sleep and have a whole new show?
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In short, replicators work fine for simple things and crude work (they can't, for example replicate caviar either) but anything that requires precision, skill or complexity is out. |
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The demonstrated incompetence and poor to nonexistant equipment of Federation security and infantry forces should ba a real help to our insurgents, at least at first. Modern-day miliraty forces would slaughter Starfleet Security.
I wonder if a replicator could make a decent assault weapon and ammunition for it? I don't see why it would be impossible, it's just metal in not terribly intricate shapes. It might be nessecary to replicate the individual parts and then hand-assemble it. The bigger problem will be developing the replicator patterns. Our insurgents will may try and find an antique weapons collector with working weapons to reverse-engineer. Rediscovering proper military gear could be a major plot arc midway through the series. |
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Well what can one expect from the right. I don't see the Federation as being Nazi at all. Starfleet isn't the ruling power on any of the worlds in the Federation. As for a rebellion, don't forget it would have to fit into the ST universe so their military technology and skills would be exactly the same as aany of the other participents in that universe. If they aren't then you are writing a whole new series.
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As far as I can see there is nothing to stop them holding a pattern in the transporter buffer and just recreating anyone who was killed on an away mission. He would be identical and would assume he just never got transported, but wheres the drama in that?
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As for modern day military, if there were forces equivalent to the British or Americans who went into Iraq then they would decimate everyone, Klingons, Romulans included. Apart from the fact they would be stuck on a planet surface somewhere and could be obliterated from orbit.
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Tasha Yar's home planet was a Federation world, and it collapsed into poverty and crime. And how did the Federation deal with this? By revoking their membership! I guess this policy (dump 'em when they run into trouble) allows them to maintain their claim to being a povery-free zone. Quite frankly, it's a bit like rich neighbourhoods where nobody is poor; of course nobody is poor, because they won't let the poor people in! If anyone in the rich neighbourhood becomes poor, he's gone. And even though their wealth may very well be derived from the exploitation of poverty elsewhere, they get to prance around in their nice clothes and pretend that they have solved all material problems. There is no personal freedom in the Federation - None. The federation is a military dictatorship run by Star Fleet. Lets look at a trial. Quote:
The chance to explore worlds? Only if you happen to be a member of - guess what - Star Fleet. There is no private transportation in the Federation. In note one of the Federation planets visited is there any trace of privately-owned space shuttles or interplanetary let alone interstellar craft. Yet, such craft are cheap throw-aways - Starfleet officers get to use them for the most frivolous of purposes. Obviously the elimination of private transport is policy. As for not laboring away to the day you die - sure, if you're in an elite. However, there is evidence in Voyager that slave labor is a major part of Federation economics - look what happened to the holo-doctors in Voyager. In reality, slave labor is the only way a communist economy can be made to work. Mindless worship of a racist totalitarian slave-labor state - Well what can one expect from the left. Quote:
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By the way, there is no evidence at all that Starfleet even knows what electronic warfare is. |
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If they were based on transporter technology, you'd assume they could replicate anything that could be transported, but that's evidently not the case. Maybe replicators are more like a vending machine--someone has to load each item into the replicator--you can never pull more ham sandwiches out of the replicator than were put in to begin with. More evidence of Federation disinformation? (say, the transporters don't really work like the federation pretends they do. They don't break matter down into its component pieces and reassemble them at the far end; that story was just a federation lie to keep underground scientists from assembling their own transporters. The replicator is an attempt to answer the "why can't we just restore them from the transporter matrix?" question. The replicator doesn't use transporter technology as a 3-d xerox; instead it's more of a hyperdimensional deep-freeze. And the federation pays the Ferengi big bucks to continue the deception). Quote:
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In college, one of my friends wanted to base a story on events from "Journey to Babel" and "Space Seed". There were more bioengineered humans created, but these were more intelligent and remained in the background. Later, during the early days of star flight, their colony moved to Orion (remember the trader Pike was talking to in "The Cage"? He might have been associated with them). They subsequently engaged in minor competition with the Federation, including the pirate craft seen in Journey to Babel.
Anyway, the idea of a counter-Federation isn't a new one. This dates back to before the first trek movie. |
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