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You are aware that most of these were sf standards, and most if not all were in development decades before Star Trek, don't you?
Tricorder - Portable scanners are an old sf staple. Transparent Armor - A Buck Rogers standard that goes back to the source novel "Armagedon 2419AD". Communicator - A common name for them is 'Walkie-Talkie'. Also an old sf standard. The movie Things to Come had a good one, as did Dick Tracy. Cloaking Device - A new name for the old invisibility device. See old movie serials, the show Space Patrol, really too many to count. Hyperdrive - Forbidden Planet, Space Patrol, countless stories, and novels. Hypospray - This was actually based on the air hypodermic from the 60s. Telepresence - Two-way video communication is an old concept. Remember the video phone? Hardly unknown in 1966. David. |
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If you really want to get technical, the "cloaking device" predates science fiction altogether; the helmet worn by Hades, for example, was said to turn the wearer invisible.
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So Star Trek has the transporter (does it?), and maybe the layout of an ergonomic control center? All the major controls within reach without getting up (except Spock's scanner visor), the Captain in a position where he can see what's going on at any station, etc.
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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction." Shakespeare, Twelfth Night "The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves "Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort |
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OK then, but did any other mythic/SF story put them all together?
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I want to know how anyone can think that this is a good Star Trek spin off.
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Lensman series, Buck Rogers (pre-TV), Dr. Who all incorporated most if not all of these elements and many more.
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Lensman didn't have any computers or teleportation, I believe. They did have forcefields and seomthing rather like the Warp Drive.
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Within the limits of his layman's knowledge of real physics at the time, most of them probably were. At least the main items were, some of the episodes had alien technology that was definitely Clarke-tech; indistinguishable from magic.
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Yes, you just gave the definition of "computer" as it existed at that time. A smart person whose job was computing numbers. Which is how it was used in Lensman.
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I thought Trek-style communicators had been around for a long time. We just call 'em "cell phones".
![]() To be fair, I don't think the funreal products really count as Trek-inspired technology. They're more like memorabilia (the ultimate memorabilia, perhaps?). In spite of that, this is a very cool article. I especially liked reading about Purdue's efforts in invisibilty technology. - Maha "sci-fi is sci-fact - again" Vailo
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The term was still in use applying to humans until post- WWII, I think.
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Yes, he did, and he made a differentiation between them and what we think of as computers by use of the term "mechanical brain." It's in his Lensman series, IIRC, but there may have been mention of it in the Skylark series as well. I remember being confused by the concept when I first read the books as a kid.
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At the very least, I do think Star Trek inspired the flip phone design, and helps account for its popularity. For me, there are other cell phone shapes, but that's the only "right" one.
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1. How do you make something smaller when not in use? Fold it in half. 2. How do you protect the workings of a device, put a lid over it. Example: Switchblades. Popularity can include many things, so I will agree to some portion here. Which could be because of the above reasons (at least to a degree).
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Okay, so nothing in Star Trek was really original (actually, anyone who's seen Forbidden Planet could have told you that).
So could we instead say that Star Trek popularized these things? I believe that's one of the ideas behind How William Shatner Changed the World.
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Forbidden Planet was the inspiration for many of Roddenberry's gadgets and notions in Star Trek but not all of them obviously. I certainly credit Star Trek for popularizing many print sci-fi concepts.
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But there are many ways to get to a useful design, and cell phones (as well as non-cell portable radios) were far too large to fit that shape for a long time. I think it represented a design goal.
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mmmm you said my favorite movie! *drool*
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The movie that got me hooked on sf when I saw it on the ABC tv network wayyyyyyyyy back in the early 60s. Have you seen the new dvd yet? If not get it, it is fantastic. The cut scenes really add to it, particularly the Unicorn discussion. I just wish that they had included all of the deleted scenes, like where Morbius tells Altaira to make a choice. The test footage of the Altair IV planet model blows any cgi out of the water.
Van Rijn, you do realize that the communicator was nothing more than a compact hand-held radio? A super powerful walkie-talkie? If you want to talk compact, well Rocky Jones had small, pen-like radios. The Man From U.N.C.L.E. had cigarette pack size, then pen size radios, also called communicators. In the movie "Things to Come" they had voice addressed wrist phones, the real, first cell phones? Dick Tracy had wrist radios, although the tv show used the toys as props. The great thing about ST, like SWs, is that it took sf concepts and exposed them to a wider audience. Both deserve credit for that. David. |
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There is a saying, form follows function. A device will be packaged in the shape most suited for ease of use. Back in the 90s they marked a cell phone that was no larger than a Wrigley's gum Plenty Pack. To use it you had to rotate the antenna up, and the microphone down. It didn't last, it was too small and hard to use. The first calculator watches had buttons so small that you had to use a supplied stylus (easily, and usually lost), or tooth pick to push the buttons. Many of today's devices are larger than they have to be, so that they can be more easily used. If a device is too inconvenient to operate, then people will not embrace it, and it will fail. Look at devices that are designed to fit in the human hand. Most are boxy rectangles. That is the best shape, that is the most cost effective to manufacture. David. |
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