Another thread slamming Voyager and Enterprise

[SeanF]

Originally Posted by Trocisp

How is lost in space contemporary?

Lost in Space aired from 1965-1968. Star Trek aired from 1966-1969.

How is that not contemporary?

[NEOWatcher]

Originally Posted by Trocisp

How is lost in space contemporary?

Contemporary:
1. Living or occuring at the same time.
2. Of the same age.

Left alone, contemporary may imply a comparison "to us" or "currently"; although, I don't know if that is a legitimate use of the word.

[Trocisp]

Originally Posted by SeanF

Lost in Space aired from 1965-1968. Star Trek aired from 1966-1969.

How is that not contemporary?

Originally Posted by NEOWatcher

Contemporary:
1. Living or occuring at the same time.
2. Of the same age.

Left alone, contemporary may imply a comparison "to us" or "currently"; although, I don't know if that is a legitimate use of the word.

I believe it falls to you do describe how it is contemporary.

[NEOWatcher]

Originally Posted by Trocisp

I believe it falls to you do describe how it is contemporary.

Perhaps you could tell us why you don't think it is. I believe we have explained it, but it seems to be getting lost somewhere.

[Jason]

I originally said "compare the original Star Trek to it's contemporaries."
That means look at the other shows that were originally produced and aired at about the same time as Star Trek. "Contemporary" here means simply "living or occuring at the same time."

Lost In Space is a contemporary of the original Star Trek because the two shows were originally produced and aired at about the same time in history, during the late sixties.

[NEOWatcher]

Originally Posted by Jason

I originally said "compare the original Star Trek to it's contemporaries."...

Yep; I understood your comment... it was Trocisp's questioning of the use of the word that is confusing me.

[Moose]

Jason's comment was clear and accurate. Why are we even discussing this?

[Trocisp]

Mhmmm, nevermind. I mis read. I Sorry folks!

it's been one of those days.

[Jason]

I think someone missed the "its" in my original post, and thought I was trying to say that Lost In Space is contemporary to today's shows.

[Moose]

Fair enough. So about those Borg Tribbles...

[Abbadon_2008]

Well, the movie remake of 'Lost in Space' made Voyager and Enterprise look like the Sistine Chapel of SF projects.

The 'Lost in Space' remake was so ridiculous, I actually got MIFFED at it. I was hoping the Robinson's ship would get assimilated by the Borg, or they'd find an alien ship infested with face-huggers.

Then Lacey Chabert, with Borg implants, would go Sigourney Weaver on the alien spiders and xenomorphs.

"Ohmigosh! Resistance is like...like TOTALLY futile!"

[Trocisp]

Originally Posted by Abbadon_2008

"Ohmigosh! Resistance is like...like TOTALLY futile!"

I lol'd at work.

The mechanics look at me funny.

[Noclevername]

Originally Posted by Abbadon_2008

Well, the movie remake of 'Lost in Space' made Voyager and Enterprise look like the Sistine Chapel of SF projects.

Sadly, all too true. The goofy TV series that inspired the film's name and a couple of vague elements of the plot was less painful to watch.

[Van Rijn]

Originally Posted by Jason

The Original Series had its share of bad episodes, but overall it was great in its day and much of it is still great. Don't compare it to just Voyager, compare it to its contemporaries, like Lost in Space. Then you'll see just how good it really was.

Or Land of the Giants, or Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, or Time Tunnel. Yes, I had the same thought. While Star Trek certainly had faults, they did bring in real science fiction writers and they did have some good ideas - it's no accident that Trek has become something of a cliche in newer science fiction series. Through the '70s and most of the '80s, classic Trek was still better than anything else in that genre you could see on U.S. TV.

[Ara Pacis]

Originally Posted by Abbadon_2008

I was hoping the Robinson's ship would get assimilated by the Borg, or they'd find an alien ship infested with face-huggers.

Then Lacey Chabert, with Borg implants, would go Sigourney Weaver on the alien spiders and xenomorphs.

"Ohmigosh! Resistance is like...like TOTALLY futile!"

LOL Okay, now you have to write that script.

[Abbadon_2008]

'Time Tunnel' could be remade into a series. I think. It would be sort of like 'Stargate', except they're fiddling with time more than space.

'Land of the Giants' needs to be 're-imagined', and perhaps for a mini-series. Better FX could help a lot. The story could be turned into something epic, like 'Heroes'. An ensemble cast of characters get miniaturized against their will, and have to 'get big again' by finding/stopping the culprits.

'Voyage Beneath the Sea' was too gimmicky. Anything you did for a remake would come off like a ripoff of 'SeaQuest' or a sea-going 'Star Trek'.

[Jason Thompson]

Originally Posted by Delvo

How did the Voyager kill 8472's ships when 8472's ships were killing Borg cubes?

I thought that was clear from the episode. The Borg could not assimilate Species 8472 and therefore had no information on them. With a bit of lateral thinking Voyager's Doctor came up with a way to use Borg nanoprobes to assimilate and then disintegrate Species 8472 and their ships (all made of the same stuff), a solution the Borg could not come up with on their own. Neither the Borg nor Voyager could kill Species 8472 until they co-operated and constructed nanoprobe weapons and delivery systems.

I saw in another thread recently that there was a DS9 episode in which Worf screwed up badly and was told by Sisko that he'd never get a command position and might as well give up on any hope of that. What was the episode and what was the awful mistake? I don't remember it, but haven't seen all DS9 episodes.

That other was Change Of Heart, in which Worf and Jadzia were sent on a mission to collect a Cardassian defector with vital knowledge of the Dominion activities in the quadrant. They were ambushed by a squad of Jem'hadar, and Jadzia was shot. Bleeding badly, she told him he had to go on and fulfil the mission, because the fate of the entire Alpha Quadrant could be determined by what this Cardassian could provide in terms of information. Worf did go on, but was ultimately unable to leave her behind and went back to her. The Cardassian was killed, and the information lost.

Back on the station, with Jadzia recovering in the infirmary, Sisko asked Worf if he could have completed the mission successfully had he left Jadzia behind. Worf answered yes, and Sisko told him that officially he had to place a formal reprimand on his record. The extreme importance of the mission to the course of the war, and the fact that Worf had let his personal feelings put one person ahead of the welfare of an entire quadrant, meant that this action would seriously harm his chance of getting a command position.

Unofficially, Sisko told Worf that he understood and, had it been his wife bleeding to death in the forest, he couldn't have left her there either.

[SeanF]

Originally Posted by Jason Thompson

That other was Change Of Heart, in which Worf and Jadzia were sent on a mission to collect a Cardassian defector with vital knowledge of the Dominion activities in the quadrant. They were ambushed by a squad of Jem'hadar, and Jadzia was shot. Bleeding badly, she told him he had to go on and fulfil the mission, because the fate of the entire Alpha Quadrant could be determined by what this Cardassian could provide in terms of information. Worf did go on, but was ultimately unable to leave her behind and went back to her. The Cardassian was killed, and the information lost.

Back on the station, with Jadzia recovering in the infirmary, Sisko asked Worf if he could have completed the mission successfully had he left Jadzia behind. Worf answered yes, and Sisko told him that officially he had to place a formal reprimand on his record. The extreme importance of the mission to the course of the war, and the fact that Worf had let his personal feelings put one person ahead of the welfare of an entire quadrant, meant that this action would seriously harm his chance of getting a command position.

Unofficially, Sisko told Worf that he understood and, had it been his wife bleeding to death in the forest, he couldn't have left her there either.

I wonder if the formal reprimand on Worf's record prompted any of the Starfleet Admiralty to ask just who the brilliant tactician was that sent a husband and wife off on that mission together in the first place...