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http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/10mo...naccurate.html
listing it among the 10 most historically inaccurate movies. Well, only in the same sense you could list Orwell's 1984. 10,000 BC made it too. |
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How can a movie portraying a possible future be historically incorrect?
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No problems, it is inaccurate. They didn't "dis" them, they simply observed that it's not "historically" factual. (Albeit it shouldn't be listed as a historical movie in the first place...) |
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I always think it's silly when some critic accuses a science fiction story of being "inaccurate" or "dated" because it failed to predict the future. What did he expect?
A science fiction story actually predicting the future is more unlikely than the critic in question winning the lottery jackpot. But it's the story that matters. That's why it's called science fiction. ![]() Anyway, these kinds of "Top 10" lists are just a lighthearted pastime.
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In light of these, how can one possibly complain about the age of Senate members, or that Spartans wore armor in real life?--that is without sounding like an idiot.
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Is Star Trek on their list? We didn't have any sleeper sublight spacecraft in the '90s, nor did we fight a Eugenics War.
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Oh no, I know for sure, because I was fighting in the real secret war in the nineties.
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<<A science fiction story actually predicting the future is more unlikely than the critic in question winning the lottery jackpot. But it's the story that matters. That's why it's called science fiction.>>
QFT.
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300, if looked at as a piece of history, is enormously inaccurate. I don't think much of anyone disputes that. The issue seems to be whether we should look at it as a piece of history or as a fantasization of history, which is different.
I also think it is, indeed, completely ludicrous to call science fiction "inaccurate history" because it didn't come true. What, do they expect perfection? Prescience? I can also (I haven't looked at the list, but I can already tell you it's true) come up with dozens and dozens of movies with awful history, even leaving out all fantasizations of history, such as A Knight's Tale and Ever After. Edit: Okay, I've read it now. Really? They really think Elizabeth: The Golden Age is less historically accurate than The Other Boleyn Girl?
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Good to see Braveheart made their inconsequential list. Good for promoting Scottish identity, but historically a big smelly heap.
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That's your opinion. In my opinion, it's still the top science fiction movie out there.
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I think the reviewer needs to be sat down and have it explained and be made to read the book. Then the date of the book and the date of the film need to be explained and the idea when it was written then the story that ACC used to base 2001 on needs to be read and etc etc.
And where is my personal jet pack I was promised in the 60's. Smacks of Father ted and Dougal near and far episode...... I jest and am not really worried ![]() Either way its in my top ten, usually at number one. But that is my view. |
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I'd be another vote for "2001 is as boring as hell".
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2001 does come off a bit slow. Part of that is the frequent outside, space shots that have no sound, as they should. We've come to expect beeping noises every time a light flashes and explosions when you dump pressure real fast. Realism points were subtracted from excitment points. No sound forces you to pay attention to what is going on and that's pretty much a pod moving against a black background. Not real exciting. But where 2001 wins is a pretty good story, some great special effects and yes, realism. Even some pretty cool music.
I would have like to have seen the stuff that was in the book, at the end. Two stars rotating around each other, a space port with abandonded space ships sitting out front. It's been a long time since I read the book but he described some pretty cool stuff that Bowman saw at the end. All they had in the movie was flashing lights and lava lamp footage. However if you use your immagination you can see it as stars being born and worm holes or something. At any rate, 2001 is pretty ceribral. You really need to watch it a few times to see how good it really is. I like it but I can understand those who find it slow or boring.
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Yeah, 2001 is pretty cerebral... and slow and hard to understand and a bit psychedelic at the end. That combination does not make for good mass entertainment.
It presents a solid story, well told, with great sfx. But, it doesn't spoon feed the entertainment to you. If you want to enjoy it, you have to reach in and grab it for yourself. You have to get involved. Star Wars, OTOH, is good mass entertainment. It's not cerebral, it's not slow, it's easy to follow, and the psychedelics are minimal. It's a fun story, well told, with great sfx. And, it does basically "spoon feed" the entertainment to you. There is so much happening at any time that you don't need to reach in; it's dropped in your lap. Don't get me wrong. I'm not dissing SW. But, these are two different stories told in two different ways and some may not be up to both. Or either.
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I won't be the one to detract this from it. It does do the environment properly.
However, the characterization and the dialogue are just too...I dunno...stilted. Like what NASA's PR dweebs would want the public to think a space mission would be. Re-reading some of the old Apollo transcripts, except during mission critical times, there was some banter going on that was FAR from sterile. I'm pretty sure even the shuttle missions are as small talk laden as any other small office would tend to be, especially since by the time they launch, they've spent more time around each other than they have their own families for the training cycle. At least that's the impression I got from the video tape of the Columbia's last re-entry that was released to the public. These folks did NOT strike me as US Marine Corps level personality suppressed.
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Dialogue wise, shuttle stuff and Apollo were short duration. This was a long mission. I imagine the humans would have beaten the computer to it if they were chatter boxes. Last edited by Tedward; 24-March-2008 at 08:45 AM.. Reason: adding words "to it" after computer |
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I love 2001. I saw it when I was ten for the very first time and it blew me away. It seemed very realistic and that added to it for me. /However/ even then I know it was science fiction and it never ever was supposed to be a 'historical film.
The fact it is on this list is just plain silly! It has been and always will be Science Fiction. None of anything protrayed in that film is a reaccounting or retelling of an historical event.
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