I have to agree with Delvo on that one, even though it did look very strange indeed.

I dunno. Head Six has shown knowledge that Baltar himself didn't have. That indicates that she isn't just a manifestation in his head. Maybe she really was lifting him physically this time.

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I agree with Delvo, too. One more physical example is Baltar pulling on his own tie as Harvey-Six was doing that.

Baltar is an intelligent man. I'll accept the idea that Harvey-Six is his subconscious, and is telling him things that he has subconsciously picked up on. Her assurances are just what Gaius needs to hear to do what he should. I also think that sometimes he's just lucky, like with Doral in the miniseries. Or even with Lee saving his butt in the latest episode.

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Another way she could "have info he doesn't" is if it's true that, as she said in the first place, she's an implant in his brain.

If she is the result of some sort of implant then it's an implant beyond the ability of Colonial medical science to find.
No, I think she is a third party working to lead Baltar (and Caprica Six, and Starbuck too, although not-Leoban may be a different faction) in a particular direction.

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Here's some thoughts:

We haven't seen the fifth "Final Five" Cylon yet. The fifth one apparently didn't get triggered by the same stimulus that activated the first four. Why is that? Is the fifth one not on the fleet (but there isn't anywhere else, plot wise) or some sort of special case, activated under different circumstances?

What if one of the "Final Five" is killed? Does he/she wake up somewhere else in a new body, like the other seven? Or just stay dead?

Were the "Final Five" originally an experiment: to try to create Cylons very much like humans, possibly as emissaries?

Tigh has been around since the first Cylon war. Were the Cylons creating human versions back then? They may have been experimenting, as suggested by the humans on the ship the young Adama boarded, but had they already gotten far enough to create someone like Tigh? Or was the real Tigh replaced at some point?

I felt bad about Cally getting killed. I don't think that Tigh would have been able to kill her, even to save himself or the others. That would be something a Cylon spy would do. He would probably kill himself rather than kill an innocent. Tori, however, seems to put herself first. She looks like she's drunk with power.

Finally, what if Cally is the final Cylon?

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Of course it is. I'm saying that there's a way she could without being an implant or god or anything but his own warped mind.

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I have a silly question. Why are the final five (four of them anyway) so convinced that they are Cylons? As far as I can tell, they kept hearing music, which led them to some closet where they met. I know that there is a general paranioa about "skin jobs", and they have established that someone could be a Cylon without knowing it, but do they have any other proof or hints that they are Cylons (other than the opening credits? )

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Apparently the trigger gave them the knowledge that they were Cylons on a sort of "instinctual" level. There simply is no longer any question for them that they are Cylons - they know it.

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The fact that others heard the same thing meant it was a broadcast. What else but a machine could receive a broadcast?

Not necessarily - it could have been all in their head, timed to trigger in all of them "when they reach the Ionian nebula." A broadcast might have been picked up by the fleet.

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Ron D. babbled something about the activation of the Dylan Four a while back. It was something about think of them has reached a point in space where it was time for them to know who they really were. Whatever is "deep within" them simply recognized the location (Ionian nebula or whatever) and made itself aware.

And you can firmly put me in the camp of the Head characters being real entities and not hallucinations. They are agents(angels ) of something that is directing things. The actions of Baltar and CapSix, influenced by their head entities greatly influenced the direction of the humans and cylons and their interaction with each other. It's a "Plan" all right, just not a cylon plan, but one of a larger force. The two head characters know human and cylon nature very well, and know just how to play Baltar and CapSix to have maximum effect.

Of course, Ron D. will leave it ambiguous to the end and never make it clear, and we can argue if they were real or hallucinations to the end of time.

And it's clear Baltar is on a redemption arc, and you can thank HeadSix for that (again part of the plan -- take the sleazebag down as low as possible, them redeem him). The child wasn't saved until HeadSix was convinced that Baltar was really willing to sacrifice himself for the child. She smiled.

And last episode, note how she told him his role as the religious leader/phrophet would give him personal prestige and be great for his ego and all that. He angrily rejected that as not important. She smilled again -- the Plan is working.

And I'm certain she did pick him up. He (and presumably CapSix and maybe Starbuck) must choose of their own free will to do something. They can plead their case and try to influence their charges, but they can't force them to do something.

However, when the spirit is willing but the flesh is too weak, they can intervene. And that's what she did when she picked him up. He was too addled to get up on his own, and so she picked him right up.

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So far, so good. I thought this episode was slower than the last two, but it was still enjoyable. Baltar is certainly taking on the role of the reluctant messiah. I re-watched the scene several times, when head six picked Baltar up, and Baltar looked like he was just hanging there limp, and not under his own power. There have been some other signs that perhaps head six was a real entity, mostly by things she said, but this was the first physical interaction that establishes her reality.

Actually I think this will be resolved, at least more than it has been to this point.

I disagree that Baltar is on a redemption arc. In my view he's not going to be a messiah, he's going to be an anti-christ. His philosophy of "God loves you, God doesn't love anything not perfect, therefore you are perfect" is selfishness codified, and leads to exactly Tory's way of thinking "I'm perfect, so I can do whatever sick and twisted things I want without fear of having done wrong." That's a very dangerous philosophy, on par with the Manson family or Jim Jones.
I view this is the beginning of the end for Baltar, not the start of his redemption.

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Redemption and demise are not mutually exclusive. They are the classic elements of tragedy.

And whether he was lifting himself or was being lifted by an invisible Six, he was hanging limp in a way that made him look exactly like a puppet. That may be the intended symbolism. The question is who is pulling the strings?

I agree completely, It's clear that Head Six has given Baltar useful information when he was trapped on the Cylon baystar AND information regarding what to do or say upon the colonial fleet. Although it's possible, I don't see her as simply a manifestation of his mind. Otherwise, where would the whole "one god" concept come from within Baltar's scientific mind?

Guys: What song should the fifth cylon hear to get activated?? My nomination is Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen...or some Doors tune or other..but no more 60's Dylan..

Dale

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Sympathy for the Devil by the Stones. Or Paint it Black. Seeing as how finding out that you're a Cylon seems to be a sure sign that you're about to go crazy with either power (Tory) or grief (Tyrol and Tigh).

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Ironman.

oh wait. wrong thread.

What song are you hearing?

I thought maybe Tyrol was busted down to Private and had changed his name to Pyle when I saw him with his head shaved. I don't mean Gomer Pyle, either. If you've seen Full Metal Jacket you'll know what I mean.

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