BSG S4 Discussion (spoilers of course) - Page 3

LunarOrbit · #61 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 03:37 AM

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she's a Canadian farm girl...... that just clinched it. I can dream..... :sigh:

I saw her at a convention in Toronto last summer... she looks even better in person (and with a natural hair colour). There was a huge line to meet her so I didn't bother, but now I wish I had.

One thing that bothered me at the time was that she refused to be photographed with someone in a classic Cylon costume. It might have been a legal issue or contractual obligation due to the fact that classic Cylons were going to be appearing in BSG: Razor in the fall and being photographed with one might have been considered a spoiler.

One thing surprised me about tonights episode: who would have guessed that President Rosalyn's mother is Barbara Bush?

publius · #62 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 03:56 AM

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I saw her at a convention in Toronto last summer... she looks even better in person (and with a natural hair colour). There was a huge line to meet her so I didn't bother, but now I wish I had.

One thing that bothered me at the time was that she refused to be photographed with someone in a classic Cylon costume. It might have been a legal issue or contractual obligation due to the fact that classic Cylons were going to be appearing in BSG: Razor in the fall and being photographed with one might have been considered a spoiler.

Strange, but I know all that legal stuff about images can get convoluted indeed.

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One thing surprised me about tonights episode: who would have guessed that President Rosalyn's mother is Barbara Bush?

You know, I didn't even notice that at first. I just saw "older white haired woman" until I read everyone else commenting on it. I wonder if Ron D. is going somewhere with that, some subliminal little message.

And speaking of that, listen to that Hybrid babble closely. From what I've read, there may be some hints in that. Someone mentioned something about "the child of the one who was reborn". Yep, I'm going to be playing that Hybrid babble over and over, and hope my DVR recorded the closed captioning.

You know, I'm an idiot. One thing that bugs me about BSG is the dialogue sound gets muddled -- and always at the important bits -- and I completely forgot about the CC.

-Richard

publius · #63 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 04:19 AM

I'm remembering more about the interview with Tricia. She was on right after William frakkin' Shatner. And I remember I just wanted to slap him. He kept interrupting and trying to be the center of attention.

LunarOrbit · #64 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 04:36 AM

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Nana Visitor character's was something else too.

I didn't even realize she was in it. I can't believe I didn't notice. Was she the woman dying from cancer? I'm going to have to watch it again.

publius · #65 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 04:43 AM

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Was she the woman dying from cancer? I'm going to have to watch it again.

Yep -- "Emily" was the character's name, I believe.

It's no surprise you didn't notice it, IMO, actually. That's how intense this episode was (and the whole show most of the time). Watching, you get so into the story you just don't notice things. That was a woman dying of cancer, not Nana Visitor. It just doesn't register until the excitement dies down.

-Richard

publius · #66 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 05:02 PM

Transcribed Hybrid babble thanks to someone at the TV Without Pity board:

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All these things at once and many more, not because it wishes harm, but because it likes violent vibrations to change constantly. Then shall the maidens rejoice at the dance. Structural integrity of node cell restored; repressurizing. The children of the one reborn shall find their own country. Intruder swarmed like flame, like the whirlwind. Hope soaring to slaughter all their best against our hulls. Replace internal control accumulators 4 through 19. They'll start growing ripe on us pretty soon. Compartamentalize integrity conflicts with the obligation to provide access. FTL sync fault uncorrected. No ceremonies are necessary.

Then shall the maidens rejoice at the dance. Structural integrity of Node 7 restored; repressurizing. The children of the one reborn shall find their own country. End of line.

Reset. Track mode monitor malfunction traced. Recharge compressors; increase the output to 50%. Assume the relaxation like the photons. Diverse contact is inevitable leading to information bleed. FTL sync fault uncorrected. No ceremonies are necessary. Centrifugal force reacts to the rotating frame of reference. The obstinate toy soldier becomes pliant. The city devours the land; the people devour the city; ???.

Assume relaxation like the photons in the sample atmosphere is constant. Intruders swarmed like flame, like the whirlwind. Hope soaring to slaughter all their best against our hulls. All these things at once and many more, not because it wishes harm, but because it likes violent vibrations to change constantly. Reset. But you are a spark of God's fire! Core update complete; threat detection matrix enabled. The received dose is altered by the delayed gamma burst. Active. Execute. The children of the one reborn shall find their own country. End of line

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Thus will it come to pass: the dying leader will know the truth of the opera house; the missing Three will give you the Five who have come from the home of the Thirteenth. You are the harbinger of death, Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end. End of line.

-Richard

Delvo · #67 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 05:15 PM

The dying leader could be Baltar, particularly if his odd behavior has anything to do with something funky happening to his brain.

i only ponder · #68 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 05:52 PM

The last part of the Hybrid babble is interesting. I haven't seen that episode -I've been a total spoiler virgin until now!
Are the final 5 are from Earth?

publius · #69 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 06:28 PM

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The last part of the Hybrid babble is interesting. I haven't seen that episode -I've been a total spoiler virgin until now!
Are the final 5 are from Earth?

Boy, oh boy, where to begin with that.

Have they started S4 on your side of the pond yet?

At any rate, read the "BSG S4 rumor mill" thread right here where I compiled a lot of the spoilers that were buzzing around before S4 started, and some afterwards.

Here is a good spoiler site that's been pretty much dead on accurate so far:

http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/in...s/season4.html

Now, on the left you'll see a long list of links -- look for the "speculation" link. They put the stuff they think is accurate in the spoiler section, but put the guessing and surmising there in speculation.

I'm a spoiler whore, but I hate myself afterwards.

If you want to discuss any of this mess after you've digested it, do it there in the rumor mill thread.

-Richard

publius · #70 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 06:43 PM

What I was aiming for was for this thread to discuss what we've seen so far, while the spoilers and speculation based on them goes in the Rumor Mill thread.

However, if Season 4 hasn't aired in your particular corner of the world, then this thread is a big spoiler thread too.

So, I guess whatever......if it's aired somewhere, and is therefore official, we'll discuss it here. If hasn't aired anywhere yet, it's Rumor Mill. But hey, I'm just a member here, so that's only a suggestion.

-Richard

publius · #71 (**permalink**) 10-May-2008, 07:03 PM

Oh, and some more highly prophetic symbolism that I utterly missed until I read about then, then saw it stick out like a sore thumb. It was during Roslin's shared boat ride with Major Kira-Emily across the River Jordan. Right at the beginning of that scene, the camera pans over the bow of the boat as it slices through the water. There are depth markings above the water line.

The numbers are 9, 10, 11, 12 above the water line .

We can surmise those are the numbers of the Dylan Four. The seven are numbered 1 - 6, and 8. How they came up with that, I don't know. Probably dubbed Sharon an '8' before all this latest crap was conceived. Since the number seven has some mystical significance, I'm guessing the Final Fifth is indeed number 7, and our Dylan Four are 9 -12.

So, the Dylan Four carry you across the River Jordan to paradise?

-Richard

Delvo · #72 (**permalink**) 11-May-2008, 02:25 AM

Jordan? Why not Styx?

galacsi · #73 (**permalink**) 11-May-2008, 07:38 AM

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The dying leader could be Baltar, particularly if his odd behavior has anything to do with something funky happening to his brain.

Maybe , but more simply it is Roslin the president.

galacsi · #74 (**permalink**) 11-May-2008, 07:43 AM

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Boy, oh boy, where to begin with that.

Have they started S4 on your side of the pond yet?

Well from France i used this URL : http://www.surfthechannel.com/show/t...Galactica.html

Sound is bad and it is in English damn it !!

galacsi · #75 (**permalink**) 11-May-2008, 08:15 AM

By the way I love this episode , IMO the best of season 4. I like it when they are these cylon characters !
It is strange how different they are for clones. Nathalie is very affirmative , a true leader ; the other six who kill Barolay has been traumatized and could not recovey. The 8's look like very sissy as Athena is hard like stone. Those who don't have memorries even faked one are completely helpless , just pawns.
That what i think these cylons are just human beings , cloned and put into slavery doing the dirty work of somebody else . Maybe the colonial admirauty ? Yes this sound like conspiracy , but the whole show is rather tinted with paranoia , no ? And by the way who are the Cylon leaders , who took the decision to revolt and attack ? Not these cylons we saw , they have not the right stuff to do such a thing they can only execute orders. Follow "programming" or brain washing.

So to go on in this path , maybe all the Cylons come from Earth , Descending from the crew of a ship captured by the colonials , the military. Some escaped , they are the four and the fifth,so much under cover they did not know who they are, and some were enslaved they are the 7. May be they are in stealth mode because they is a way to discover them if they use their true powers.After all we saw there are links between the Cylons , Boomer murderer personnality has been activated at a distance , and souls of cylon are transmitted tlive o the resurrection ship.
On this ship of my imagination they had magical technology like in the Culture cycle from Banks. May be using Avatars to do the dangerous jobs or having the possibility to resurrect by downloding in a new body. The colonials have use this technology badly and it got them a disaster .

End of my Sunday morning delirium

Galacsi

Jason · #76 (**permalink**) 11-May-2008, 04:25 PM

I rather think the planning for the extermination of mankind was done mostly by the Cavils, with support from the others. The twos are convinced enough of their holy mission to do anything, the threes have a mean streak, the fours have no qualms in experimenting on helpless humans, the fives were pretty vicious with Baltar, the sixes have no problem killing babies or beating Tigh senseless, and the eights are just naive enough to go along with everyone else in the hope that things will turn out all right.
I have no problem believing the seven decided to exterminate humanity with no outside programming or brain washing.

publius · #77 (**permalink**) 11-May-2008, 04:36 PM

I agree the dying leader is almost certainly Roslin, and the Opera House reference just about clinches it. She's been having those shared Opera House visions with CapSix and Sharon. The child, Hera, is in there to. From the previews, little Hera has been all snug in her bed with visions of Six's dancing in her head. I can only wonder if HeadSix has been visiting Hera....

Then there's the "children of the one reborn" who will find their own country line which I think is the one that refers to Baltar. The Dylan Four could be "reborn", and even Sharon could be considered reborn. Chief and Sharon have (apparently, as there could be a crazy twist) hybrid children, so it could be that. However, I think it applies to Baltar and the reborn children are his followers and converts to the "new religion". However, I think the "reborn" is going to include some Cylons (the original seven ones) as well as humans. And apparently Roslin is getting on the new religion bandwagon as well.

I think there's going to be a split on the human side as well as the cylons. Both human and cylon will have to make a choice of which path to go. And one path will lead to salvation and the other to damnation/annihilation. And either way is not going to be pretty.

-Richard

publius · #78 (**permalink**) 11-May-2008, 05:00 PM

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It is strange how different they are for clones. Nathalie is very affirmative , a true leader ; the other six who kill Barolay has been traumatized and could not recovey. The 8's look like very sissy as Athena is hard like stone. Those who don't have memorries even faked one are completely helpless , just pawns.

Yes, indeed. The Eights were a pretty pathetic bunch. I did get sort of mad at Sharon/Athena for not taking the dying Eight's hand, though. Ironically, I think she, Cylon herself, is going to be one dead set against the alliance with Natalie's rebels. She's going to freak out about Hera's connection with the Sixes.

And there's the other Eight, the original Boomer, who broke with the others and threw in (and down!) with Cavil, breaking the tie. Apparently Boomer has gone anti-human. T_gh (cylons took the 'i' of course) and CapSix is pretty disturbing, but that's nothing compared to Boomer and Cavil. That's just disgusting.

Speaking of evil, Cavil is indeed one evil SOB.

And I am convinced Baltar's redemption and conversion is genuine. Baltar did not choose to be evil. He was just a slimy sleezeball looking out for number one who let a little zipper problem get him trouble. You can argue if that's not really just as bad as conscious choice to go over to the dark side so to speak.

And I think that's the grand irony, the type of thing "higher powers" do to teach lessons. Take that pathetic scoundrel sleezebag and turn him into a force for good. To do that, you have to take them down to rock bottom, let them see how pathetic they really are, and then choose to change. And that has certainly happened to Baltar.

-Richard

galacsi · #79 (**permalink**) 11-May-2008, 05:36 PM

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I rather think the planning for the extermination of mankind was done mostly by the Cavils, with support from the others. The twos are convinced enough of their holy mission to do anything, the threes have a mean streak, the fours have no qualms in experimenting on helpless humans, the fives were pretty vicious with Baltar, the sixes have no problem killing babies or beating Tigh senseless, and the eights are just naive enough to go along with everyone else in the hope that things will turn out all right.
I have no problem believing the seven decided to exterminate humanity with no outside programming or brain washing.

May be it is just a weakness of the scenario. But they have no reason to revolt that we can understand . I think they are being manipulated because most of them are kind of zombies , with no emotional experience gained during a childhood and teen age.That how I understand Caprica six killing a baby in season 1 , not because she is a devil but because she just doing experiment , completely ignorant of the good and the bad , and discovering only after ; may be , it was a mistake.

With Colonel T' 'gh

she explain at first she did not understand that killing billions of people was a crime . And then she has discovered guilt . And she has been living with humans , for accomplish her mission ; so she has been transformed. Even if Baltar is not the best of moral teacher !

Other cylons are fresh from the matrix , they have no moral spine , they would fit very well in a bureaucracy !!!