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I'm trying to clarify the following
Apparently Guillaume suggested a temperature for space in 1896 of about 5-6K, and Arthur Eddington of 3.18K in 1926 (See History of the 2.7 K Temperature Prior to Penzias and Wilson, PDF). But Wright disputes Eddington's estimate [ref], because he did not mention CMB. But did Gamow, Alpher Hermann in the 1940s? Of course Eddington did not mention CMB because the concept wasn't around. Anyone know when CMB was first used in print? Regards, Ian Tresman Last edited by iantresman; 04-December-2005 at 11:57 PM.. |
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I do not know when the phrase "cosmic microwave background" first appeared. However, I will refer you to 2 exceptionally informative books, which include considerable discussion of the history of big bang cosmology.
As for Guillame, I've read that all a long time ago, and he does not know what he is talking about. Eddington never calculated a background temperature, he calculated an effective temperature, and was very explicit about that. The problem is that too many people don't appreciate the difference between the Stefan-Boltzmann law & the Planck Law. Eddington calculated the total energy from stellar emission, and assigned that energy an arbitrary equivalent temperature by sticking it into the Stefan-Boltzmann equation. But all that tells you is that a true blackbody at the given temperature would emit that total amount of energy, without telling how the energy is spectrally distributed. Eddington knew this, and says in his book (The Internal Constitution of the Stars, 1926 & 1930) that the spectral distribution of the energy would not be in acordance with the Planck Law. The Planck Law, when integrated over all frequencies, returns the Stefan-Boltzmann law. If the energy in question is a blackbody, it must have a spectral Planck shape, and no other. One of the fundamentals of big bang cosmology is that the background radiation must have a Planck Law spectrum, it must be blackbody. Any other spectral shape would seriously damage big bang cosmology, if not simply falsify it at once. Measuring that spectral shape was the primary goal of the COBE mission. The spectral shape was measured by COBE's FIRAS instrument and found to have a Planck shape, as required by big bang cosmology. So far as I know, nobody, Eddington included, predicted a thermal (i.e., Planck Law) background radiation until it was predicted in theory by early big bang cosmologists, probably by Gamow specifically. But they could not make much of a "precise" prediction, as they knew virtually nothing about the specifics of the early universe (we know more now, relatively speaking, about what the early universe should look like in a big bang scenario, but doubtless still "don't know" more than we "do know"). So the early predictions were, in a manner of speaking, all over the map, varying by an order of magntiude or more.
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The first use of the "Cosmic Microwave Background" that I am aware of is "Peculiar Velocity of the Sun and its relation to the Cosmic Microwave Background" by Stewart and Sciama, Nature (1967). There is some talk that Dicke's team at Princeton used it even earlier. Some articles don't mention "microwave" because they are talking about the primordial spectrum that was not redshifted there yet. Below is the short Nature article by Alpher & Herman from 1948 where they correct Gamow's earlier temperature prediction and first give their 5 K figure. It is obvious from the text that they are talking about in the context of an expanding universe that has cooled down from a hotter primordial state. I don't have the long 1949 Physical Review paper where they predict the Planck spectrum. Maybe Tim can quote the relevant parts if he has it? --- Evolution of the Universe In checking the results Presented by Gamow in his recent article on "The E-volution of the Universe" [Nature, of October 30, p. 680], we found that his Expression for matter-density suffers from the following errors : (1) an error of not taking into account the magnetic moments in Eq. (7) for the capture cross-section, (2) an error in estimating the value of \alpha by integrating the equations for deuteron formation (the use of an electronic analogue computer leads to \alpha = 1), and (3) an arithmetical error in evaluating \pho-sub-zero from Eq. (9). In addition, the coefficient in Eq . (3) is 1.52 rather than 2.14. Correcting for these errors, we find \rho-sub-mat = 4.83E-4/t^(3/2) The condensation-mass obtained from this corrected density comes out not much different from Ganow's original estimate. However, the intersection point \rho-mat=\pho-rad occurs at t = 8.6^17 sec. approx 3^10 years (that is, about ten times the present age of the universe). This indicates that, in finding the intersection, one should not neglect the curvature term in the general equation of the expanding universe. In other words, the formation of condensations must have taken place when the expansion was becoming linear -with time. Accordingly, we have integrated analytically the exact expression: dl/dt = [....] T approx 1/l and R-sub-zero= 1-9 X 10i light-years [Note they are doing analytic integration so the i=square root of negative 1 is a mathematical convenience] . The integrated values of \rho-mat and \pho-rad intersect at a reasonable time, namely, 3.5 x 10^14 sec approx 1^7 years, and the masses and radii of condensations at this time become, according to the Jeans' criterion, M-sub-c = 3.8 x 10^7, sun masses, and R-sub-c = 1. I X 10^3 light years. The temperature of the gas at the time of condensation was 600 K., and the temperature in the universe at the present time is found to be about 5 K. We hope to publish the details of these calculations in the near future. Our thanks are due to Dr. G. Gamow for the proposal of the topic and his constant encouragement during the process of error-hunting. We wish also to thank Dr. J. W. Follin for his kindness in performing the integrations required for the determination of \alpha on a Reeves Analogue Computer. The work described in this letter was supported by the United States Navy, Bureau of Ordnance, under Contract NOrd-7386. RALPH A. ALPHER ROBERT HERMAN Applied Physics Laboratory, Johns Hopkins University, Silver Spring, Maryland Oct. 25. 1 Gamow, G., Phys. Rev., 70, 572 (1946). |
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Would it also be fair to say that anyone who estimates temperature without mentioning the other three characteristics is also "incorrect"? Are there any other fundamental charactistics that should be included in this list? Regards, Ian Tresman |
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So the use of the unmodified word "temperature" automatically implies a Planck Law spectrum. "Planckian" and "black body" are synonomous, so the word "temperature" automatically implies both "Planckian" and "black body". By fixing the temperature (in this case 5 Kelvins), they also automatically fix the frequency, because they have fixed the spectral shape (Planck Law). So explicitly saying the word "microwave" would be a redundant waste of space. They already said "microwave" when they said "5 Kelvins".
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And I might point out that Eddington does mention the frequency. Specifically, in table 48 (page 372), and surrounding text, he points out that at each frequency, the "effective temperature" would be different, and gives the temperatures in the table (i.e., at a wavelength of 600 Angstroms, that "3.18 Kelvin" radiation field would look like 4707 Kelvins!). A frequency dependent "temperature" is another dead giveaway that "Planckian" is not part of the game. Nobody could have predicted the same thing as Alpher & Herman (and Gamow & others) predicted, prior to about 1900 in any event, since the root concepts did not exist. Microwaves were certainly not known before the discovery of electromagnetic waves by Hertz, about 1885, so nobody would have used the word, or even understood the concept, prior to about 1865, when Maxwell theoretically predicted the existence of electromagnetic waves. And both "black body" and "Planck Law" did not have their modern meaning until about 1900.
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Tim, many many thanks for taking the time to explain all the details. Stuff like "blackbody" being synonymous with "Planckian" you just can't look-up anywhere. Likewise fixing the temperature, fixes the frequency, in this context.
Understanding it all, is another matter. For anyone else who is following this thread who would like more information, the following pages may help:
Ian Tresman |
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http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1967ApJ...148...51T was published in the April, 1967, volume of ApJ, seven months before the Stewart and Sciama paper hit the streets. |
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The thing I most remember concerning this subject was the insistence that the CMB should be the most perfect black body spectrum ever produced and I think it was Dicke that gave such a prediction.
Alex Fillipenko, in his first edition of the video series "Understanding the Universe: An Introduction to Astronomy" gave mention to the fact that quite often is the case that physics students will often try to make their data fit what is ideal in recreating Planck curves on paper. So they fudge it a little. However, when they took measurements of the CMB, they found that every piece of data wound up exactly on a perfect curve as predicted by Dicke. Such a situation would have had no ambient energies coming from any "outside" source of the universe and, hence, should give a precise curve AFAIK. Maybe others here heard a little different? BTW, for those that are interested, Filippenko's second edition is more involved and he cross examines Arp more closely than anything I have read at this forum. |
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I had a dream that I recived a message from a planet of super-intelligent dolphins that was, you guessed it, whisles and clicks. But because it sounded just like background radiation, I got a pink slip.
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