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I think it's extremely unlikely that the object would remain on
the line between the Sun and the observer for more than a few hours. On the order of one hour is most plausible. It would slowly drift across the face of the Sun, and a change in speed might even be noticeable over the course of an hour. It might appear to be motionless for several minutes, then drift faster and faster across the Sun until it disappears at the limb. That would be a possible result of the orbits of the object and Earth, Earth's rotation, and the object's acceleration toward Earth. The closer it is, the less time it will likey appear to stand still. It would be interesting to know whether any geosynchronous satellites are large enough to be seen silhouetted against the Sun with a small scope. -- Jeff, in Minneapolis
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You could imagine some previously unknown asteroid getting kicked out of an orbit between Mercury and Venus into an orbit that sends it in our direction, so that it is silhoueted against the sun for a few hours just before impacting us. You'll need to try some solar system simulators to tell just how long it might appear as a spot.
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Have you considered a "long period asteriod" in a highly eccentric (very thin ellipse) orbit with perihelion near Earth, very low albedo (a stealthy bloke), and that takes a few weeks between the two sun grazing (few hundredths of an AU) points of its orbit during approach and exit from perihelion?
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Whew! Stealth asteroid nearly blindsides Earth
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Thanks, ToSeek. Looks like the premise is plausible.
![]() If this were to be on the same orbital plane as the Earth, any way for a claculus dreprived person to figure the speed from 36 hours out? Would 50,000 KPH be reasonable for an average?
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The problem with the asteroid being stationary in front of the Sun is that such an orbit would make the asteroid spend a good part of its orbit beyond Earth's orbit, where prior detection would have been likely. (Think about where the asteroid would be headed if it didn't collide with Earth.) Unless of course its a small asteroid, but I bet you want a big one for your story
![]() Here's some screen shots for you. __________________________________ Here's an asteroid that spends almost its entire orbit interior to Earth's orbit. It would be very difficult to detect as it is usually lost in the Sun's glare. Yellow: Sun; Gray: Mercury; White: Venus; Blue/Gray: Earth; Red: Mars; Green: asteroid __________________________________ Here's an Earth-centered diagram of the orbits. Notice how the asteroid spends much of its final months almost lined-up with the Sun. Yellow: Sun; Gray: Mercury; White: Venus; Blue: Earth; Green: asteroid __________________________________ The asteroid remains lost in the solar glare in the hours and days prior to impact. Then, minutes before impact, it crosses the solar disk. This is the only warning we will get, and probably the best hopes of someone with a 5 inch telescope making the discovery, beating out SOHO and the professional observatories, who probably won't analyze their data until much later, and beating out hundreds of other amateurs who got a solar filter for Christmas and happen to be using it for the few minutes it takes the asteroid to cross the solar disk. Gray: Moon; Blue: Earth; Green: asteroid __________________________________ Here's an alternate impact scenerio. The asteroid doesn't cross the solar disk. It is first observed by probably thousands of people as a slow-moving, but bright satellite in the pre-dawn sky. It resolves into a shape minutes before impacting the dark side of the globe. Gray: Moon; Blue: Earth; Green: asteroid __________________________________ But if you do want it to hover motionless in front of the Sun for a few hours, and you're not concerned about the low probability of that actually happening, here's your impact trajectory. Gray: Moon; Blue: Earth; Green: asteroid __________________________________ And here's a view of the asteroid's solar orbit prior to impact. Yellow: Sun; Gray: Mercury; White: Venus; Blue/Gray: Earth; Red: Mars; Green: asteroid |
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The way to think of these "blindsiding" asteroids is that they are actually on orbits very similar to Earth's orbit, but with a slightly different eccentricity than Earth's. As they are moving at virtually the same speed as the Earth, they don't overtake us, they drift out from the Sun or in from that antisolar point. But tony873004's point is that they alternate between these approaches, so if this one is from the Sun, the last one was from the antiSun and would have been seen. Note the period of these passes is 1 year.
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