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Old 17-June-2006, 05:33 PM
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as far as earth and its life is concern, is this conjunction may drop some impact or not. because many peoples are discussing this issue, even the astrolgers too are discussing, even I have seen one program on one television chanel today. both mars and saturn are much nearer on today. Is there any planetary impact?

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There will be nice images taken of the two planets and the beehive in Cancer. Aside from that, no.
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as far as earth and its life is concern, is this conjunction may drop some impact or not. because many peoples are discussing this issue, even the astrolgers too are discussing, even I have seen one program on one television chanel today. both mars and saturn are much nearer on today. Is there any planetary impact?

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No.

Don't listen to astrologers...they still claim the sun is in Gemini when today it is in Taurus, and though the sun spends plenty of time in Ophiuchus, there is no sign for it. They get just about everything else wrong too!

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Especially when you hear about the misconceptions of astrology? Seriously, as antoniseb says, the real question is not will there be a "vast" impact, it's will there be the slightest measurable impact in any way shape or form. I suspect the answer to the latter question is still no-- but it's an interesting question. Are we currently capable of making any kind of observation at all, direct or indirect, mainstream or alternative, other than looking at Mars and Saturn, that can detect the slightest difference in anything when they are in conjuction? I doubt it.
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Default Re: is there any vast impact of mars-saturn conjunction

As of June 17, 2006 Mars is 2.28 AU from Earth, Saturn is 9.86 AU.

One AU = ~150 million kilometers.

Therefore the approximate distance to Mars is 2.28 x 150,000,000 km = 342,000,000 km from Earth. The approximate distance to Saturn is 9.86 x 150,000,000 km = 1,479,000,000 km from Earth.

Although they may appear to be close to each other, this is essentially an optical illusion caused by their being about in the same place at the same time as seen from Earth. This is the effect as when an illuminated sign a half mile away may look like it's close to the distant mountains in back of it. Actually Saturn is 1,137,000,000 km away from Mars. So in reality they're not even close.

How appropriate that astrology would be based, in part, on illusions.
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In other words, all of the "vast impact" will be due to psychological and psychosomatic effects, not directly due to astrophysical ones. People who believe in astrology or similar non-physical effects are likely to do things they might not otherwise do. People who don't believe in such things will get high blood pressure.
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thanks for the replies, the conjunctions are set within the system and they are but natural, but it is vastly said that the moon is dropping quite impact on the water of earth, (it was said previously), moon is responsible for bigger tides in the sea ( it was said by the people) so the all conjunctions with earth can also drops some effects, and in our body total percentage of liquid base is higher, so people thinks that there may be a impact, it was the main discussion in that tv chanel program, hence I have asked this question.
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The tidal effects of planetary conjunctions are extremely tiny. The planets are far, far away. The moon's effects are large because it's so close. Mars will be 2.3 au away, Saturn almost 10. The moon is only 0.0026 au from us.

Mars is about 900 times as far as the Moon, Saturn almost 4000 times as far. Tidal effects fall off as the cube of the distance, so Mars tides on the Earth are 1/(900*900*900) = 0.0000000013 of the Moon's = one U.S. billionth = 1.3 x 10-9. Saturn's tides on the Earth are even tinier: 0.000000000015 = 1.5 x 10-11.

[edit]Of course, I've left out the relative masses of the objects. oops.
Moon: 7.4 x 1022 kg
Mars: 6.4 x 1023 kg
Saturn: 5.7 x 1026 kg
Since tides are directly proportional to mass, the relative values are more like
1.2 x 10-8 for Mars and 1.2 x 10-7 for Saturn.
Still absurdly tiny.
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A more scientific question: can such tiny effects actually be measured?

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The standard response to those who talk about tidal effects on the water in our body is that gravitational forces from people and objects near us will have a greater effect. But of course none of these have any effect at all. Our moods and personality are affected by very real things that we all know well, why pretend there are other affects?
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